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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by ESQ » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:32 pm

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Stevens had over 100 fights in his career easily. He was a dirty prick but he sure as hell wasn't afraid to back it up. He fought all the heavies back in the day and more than held his own.
He certainly had a reputation as a fighter from the early-80s, but he didn't do it often and from his dirty hit on Lindros to his dirty hit on Kariya, he only fought 8 times in 3 seasons. His last ten years, he fought 18 times.

We can agree to disagree, but I have zero respect for Stevens or his style of play, and a guy throwing blind-side hits does not impress me as tough. He played that way through the "Tough NHL" era, and barely had to answer for it.

Maybe one could argue Stevens got dirtier when the instigator penalty was taken away and he was less likely to be held to account...

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by BingoTough » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:10 am

ESQ wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:32 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:03 am

Stevens had over 100 fights in his career easily. He was a dirty prick but he sure as hell wasn't afraid to back it up. He fought all the heavies back in the day and more than held his own.
He certainly had a reputation as a fighter from the early-80s, but he didn't do it often and from his dirty hit on Lindros to his dirty hit on Kariya, he only fought 8 times in 3 seasons. His last ten years, he fought 18 times.

We can agree to disagree, but I have zero respect for Stevens or his style of play, and a guy throwing blind-side hits does not impress me as tough. He played that way through the "Tough NHL" era, and barely had to answer for it.

Maybe one could argue Stevens got dirtier when the instigator penalty was taken away and he was less likely to be held to account...
If you checkout hockeyfights he definitely fought more in the beginning, but you could also argue that had a lot to do with proving himself. Once he was established, where was the need. Getting punched in the face isn't nice and if you didn't have to, would you bother?

That said he had 6 fights in his 4th last pro season as a 34 yo. That's not bad and after that, just one a year.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Chef Boi RD » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:02 am

Stevens was a good player at a time that allowed his style of game to thrive. You have to wonder how he’d do in today’s game? Most likely he would not be as affective due to the rule changes
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:26 am

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Stevens was a good player at a time that allowed his style of game to thrive. You have to wonder how he’d do in today’s game? Most likely he would not be as affective due to the rule changes
Well that’s just it. What he did back then was allowed. It’s a shame that the dropyourgloves.com site is gone. It was a far more accurate gauge of fights and and how many fights guys were actually in. Had vide for pretty much every fight ever.

ESQ he certainly wasn’t afraid to fight anyone and had some real heavyweight battles in his day and as a rule unless you were a no talent thug you generally fought a fair bit less as you got further into your career. Guy is a HHOFer and yes he was a mean cunt but I would have taken him any day. Wendel Clark and Cam Neely probably had just as many “dirty hits” back then. It was a different time.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Chef Boi RD » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:32 am

I’m a Stevens fan, he was tough as nails in the era of concussions hockey. I love the skill side of the game today, no clutching, grabbing impeding non puck carrying players, slashing etc., but I hate the friendliness between teams, that to me is the bigger issue. No sport plays as many international tourneys than hockey except soccer but there are more soccer leagues and players in the world than people. There is more hate between baseball teams than there is between hockey teams. It used to be the other way around. You need to figure out how to create rivalries again, more divisional play. I don’t know why people get their panties in a bunch “i want to see Crosby!” Whaaaa. Games against the other conference teams I find to be lifeless
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Topper » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:38 am

Just remember who's job or was to direct the rush to Steven's blind side hits.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by The Brown Wizard » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:20 am

Stevens was waaaay more than a cheap shot artist. He was a top pairing star on a multi cup dynasty.

Yes he was a piece of shit with a heart of coal but was he ever an effective physically punishing defenseman
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Per » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:32 am

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No sport plays as many international tourneys than hockey except soccer but there are more soccer leagues and players in the world than people.
BS! :eh:

Most sports have loads of international play, except for baseball and gridiron, that hardly anyone cares about outside of North America.

Cricket, field hockey, basketball, rugby, volleyball, tennis, table tennis, handball, futsal, bandy, floor ball... they all have international events, and most of them on a yearly basis. Hockey is no different than the others.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Strangelove » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:22 am

Chef Boi RD wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:32 am
I’m a Stevens fan, he was tough as nails in the era of concussions hockey.
Ah yes, a time where a shoulder to the head was considered a good clean hit. :thumbs:

I absolutely loved to watch Mr Stevens play the game of hockey back in the day.

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I love the skill side of the game today, no clutching, grabbing impeding non puck carrying players, slashing etc., but I hate the friendliness between teams, that to me is the bigger issue.
You are correct sir!

It turns my stomach to see players today laughing and joking with the opposition on-ice.

And then they get together afterwards for dinner and drinks. :twisted:

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You need to figure out how to create rivalries again, more divisional play. I don’t know why people get their panties in a bunch “i want to see Crosby!” Whaaaa. Games against the other conference teams I find to be lifeless
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Strangelove » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:24 am

The Brown Wizard wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:20 am
Stevens was waaaay more than a cheap shot artist. He was a top pairing star on a multi cup dynasty.
Yup a legit HOFer...
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Chef Boi RD » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:31 pm

Per wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:32 am
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:32 am
No sport plays as many international tourneys than hockey except soccer but there are more soccer leagues and players in the world than people.
BS! :eh:

Most sports have loads of international play, except for baseball and gridiron, that hardly anyone cares about outside of North America.

Cricket, field hockey, basketball, rugby, volleyball, tennis, table tennis, handball, futsal, bandy, floor ball... they all have international events, and most of them on a yearly basis. Hockey is no different than the others.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by The Brown Wizard » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:46 pm

No way man. Swedish meatballs blow that tomato soaked throat nugget outta the water
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by micky107 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:57 pm

Per wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:32 am
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:32 am
No sport plays as many international tourneys than hockey except soccer but there are more soccer leagues and players in the world than people.
BS! :eh:

Most sports have loads of international play, except for baseball and gridiron football, that hardly anyone cares about outside of North America.

Cricket, field hockey, basketball, rugby, volleyball, tennis, table tennis, handball, futsal, bandy, floor ball... they all have international events, and most of them on a yearly basis. Hockey is no different than the others.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by ESQ » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:10 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:24 am
The Brown Wizard wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:20 am
Stevens was waaaay more than a cheap shot artist. He was a top pairing star on a multi cup dynasty.
Yup a legit HOFer...
I'd say he was both - star dman and a cheap shot artist.

Imo he took the cheap shot to an extreme that Clark and Neely never matched - and as great as Stevens was, he ended careers of more-skilled star players.

There is a great deal of blame on the league, because Stevens was within the rules of the day, but at the end of the day Stevens had a level of malevolence and intent to hurt that I don't respect and don't want in the game.

But that's just me, I respect the differing opinions of y'all.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Strangelove » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:11 pm

ESQ wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:10 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:24 am
The Brown Wizard wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:20 am
Stevens was waaaay more than a cheap shot artist. He was a top pairing star on a multi cup dynasty.
Yup a legit HOFer...
I'd say he was both - star dman and a cheap shot artist.

Imo he took the cheap shot to an extreme that Clark and Neely never matched - and as great as Stevens was, he ended careers of more-skilled star players.
You're probably referring to Lindros and Kariya.

Yeah, that's more of an urban myth buds.

Stevens retired 3 years before Lindros and 6 years before Kariya.

Who did more damage to Eric's brain... Stevens or Kasparitis?

And who did more damage to Paul's brain... Stevens or Suter?

Sure, Scotty's hits always had the potential of ending careers... but did they?

Whatevs, targeting the head was perfectly legal in those days.

Stevens was an asshole, but assholes were winning you Stanley Cups!

Lindros was sort of an asshole himself, but more of a giant punk in my books.

It's also debatable which of the three was "more-skilled"...

ESQ wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:10 pm
There is a great deal of blame on the league, because Stevens was within the rules of the day, but at the end of the day Stevens had a level of malevolence and intent to hurt that I don't respect and don't want in the game.

But that's just me, I respect the differing opinions of y'all.
True, that level of malevolence doesn't fit in Today's game, but once upon a time... :D :twisted: :D
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