Yeah that's steep. They did just get a 1st rounder from Florida, so hopefully that's the pick they traded. I haven't heard what Calgary is getting back from Montreal.
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Too bad during the suckage years that the Canucks were up against the cap, they could have made these type of deals as well.
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Better be something good because I don't think Kadri has another season like this last one.....ouch.
Calgary just committed $7M a year to a 32 year old 2nd line center who will likely produce like a 3rd line center for the final 5 years of this contract.
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The Flames probably won't get anything back from Montreal. They had to give up a 1st rounder to get rid of Monahan (cap dump), so they can't really take anything back unless it's a prospect or a pick.
Oh well, they should be fun to watch next season anyway.
Oh well, they should be fun to watch next season anyway.
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Kadri deal is good or the first 3 years, will likely start looking iffy in year 4, and could be an anchor the last 3 years, but they're a legit Cup contender for the next 3-4 years and if they win one, it's a no-brainer of a deal to accept in the end.
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I wonder what is happening with the Monahan deal. It hasn't been officially announced yet. Supposedly they are discussing which 1st round pick is going to Montreal. Or maybe a 3rd team involved? Montreal needs to clear cap space - maybe that's the hold up.
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via NHL:
That conditional 1st is mad complex.The Flames traded center Sean Monahan and a conditional first-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft to the Montreal Canadiens
for future considerations.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nazem-kadri-si ... -335317582
Via Brennan Klak tries to explain:
Cool? ahahahThe conditional 2025 1st in the Sean Monahan trade is extremely complex.
The easy one is that MTL can choose to take CGY's 2024 1st instead - if CGY is choosing between 20-32 in round one of 2024.
If Florida and Calgary both end up in the lottery in 2025, and both get top 10 picks, Montreal can get as high as the 2nd overall pick from Calgary in theory.
If Florida's 2025 1st transfers to Calgary, then that pick becomes top-10 protected.
If Calgary does NOT get Florida's 2025 1st, then the pick is only 1st overall protected. In that case, MTL will get CGY 2025 3rd round pick and a conditional 2026 1st round pick.
But wait, there's more!
If CGY's 1st in 2025 is not in the top 10 AND FLA's 1st is not in the top 10 AND has been dealt to another team AND the FLA pick is a better 1st than the CGY 1st, then CGY sends MTL an extra 2025 4th round pick.
MTL will get the better of the CGY/FLA 1sts in 2025 if the FLA 1st transfers over to CGY, and both are not top-10.
If CGY's pick is top-10 in 2025, MTL simply gets the FLA 2025 1st if it has transferred over.
If the pick goes to 2026, MTL gets the better of FLA's or CGY's.
I meant to say in 2025 that if CGY's pick is top-10, but Florida's isn't, MTL just gets the Florida 2025 1st (if it has transferred over)
FLA's original 2025 1st, as a reminder, is lottery-protected from the Tkachuk deal.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
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Wow - that's complex alright.SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:02 pmvia NHL:That conditional 1st is mad complex.The Flames traded center Sean Monahan and a conditional first-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft to the Montreal Canadiens
for future considerations.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nazem-kadri-si ... -335317582
Via Brennan Klak tries to explain:
Cool? ahahahThe conditional 2025 1st in the Sean Monahan trade is extremely complex.
The easy one is that MTL can choose to take CGY's 2024 1st instead - if CGY is choosing between 20-32 in round one of 2024.
If Florida and Calgary both end up in the lottery in 2025, and both get top 10 picks, Montreal can get as high as the 2nd overall pick from Calgary in theory.
If Florida's 2025 1st transfers to Calgary, then that pick becomes top-10 protected.
If Calgary does NOT get Florida's 2025 1st, then the pick is only 1st overall protected. In that case, MTL will get CGY 2025 3rd round pick and a conditional 2026 1st round pick.
But wait, there's more!
If CGY's 1st in 2025 is not in the top 10 AND FLA's 1st is not in the top 10 AND has been dealt to another team AND the FLA pick is a better 1st than the CGY 1st, then CGY sends MTL an extra 2025 4th round pick.
MTL will get the better of the CGY/FLA 1sts in 2025 if the FLA 1st transfers over to CGY, and both are not top-10.
If CGY's pick is top-10 in 2025, MTL simply gets the FLA 2025 1st if it has transferred over.
If the pick goes to 2026, MTL gets the better of FLA's or CGY's.
I meant to say in 2025 that if CGY's pick is top-10, but Florida's isn't, MTL just gets the Florida 2025 1st (if it has transferred over)
FLA's original 2025 1st, as a reminder, is lottery-protected from the Tkachuk deal.
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Christ on a tryke that a puddle of pus if I ever saw one
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I agree with those who say the Flames should be a top team for a few years before dropping off.
I've never liked Treliving much, but what an amazing recovery after being blindsided by Gaudreau and Tkachuk!
I never liked those two either and I'm looking forward to seeing Flames fans booing them lustily.
Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar are nice replacements for Johnny Hokey and Thepuke.
It feels like a Weegar extension will be along shortly.
That probably means a Tanev trade... next summer?
Whatevs, but Treliving deserves a lot of credit...
I've never liked Treliving much, but what an amazing recovery after being blindsided by Gaudreau and Tkachuk!
I never liked those two either and I'm looking forward to seeing Flames fans booing them lustily.
Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar are nice replacements for Johnny Hokey and Thepuke.
It feels like a Weegar extension will be along shortly.
That probably means a Tanev trade... next summer?
Whatevs, but Treliving deserves a lot of credit...
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Absolutely. He's dramatically improved his team while simultaneously losing his top 2 forwards. That's some serious jibblets he's bobbling
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Am I the only one who thinks they got better because they are simply up a Weegar at the end of the day?
Uberdough and Kadri are about the same as Jonny and Tpuke… they just cost more.
They are up a Weegar and down a first, and got older in a hurry.
That ‘window’ ain’t 3-4 years. It’s next. They get bounced in the first or tune Sutter out.. window closed.
Sure they made moves, and did pretty good all things considered.. but they are only improving by a 2nd pairing defenceman.
Moves are shiny, but thise contracts will haunt them.
Uberdough and Kadri are about the same as Jonny and Tpuke… they just cost more.
They are up a Weegar and down a first, and got older in a hurry.
That ‘window’ ain’t 3-4 years. It’s next. They get bounced in the first or tune Sutter out.. window closed.
Sure they made moves, and did pretty good all things considered.. but they are only improving by a 2nd pairing defenceman.
Moves are shiny, but thise contracts will haunt them.
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Kadri will cost another first in four years time.
Flames have made a massive culture shift in their locker room with those shipped out and those added.
Flames have made a massive culture shift in their locker room with those shipped out and those added.
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