The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
The rumour that's out there doesn't specify.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
The 2022 draft isn’t garbage. It just isn’t as strong as 2023. I had to read how poor the 2017 draft was on this board umpteen times. Wasn’t true. Lotsa good players drafted in that draft. Dallas drafted three stud players at key positions and drafted a solid third liner as well.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
Dallas made a nice late first round pick in 2017 I see.
We got EP so .
Kole Lind I guess turned into a wasted pick and Gadjovich is gonzo so tough 2nd round for us eh.
We got EP so .
Kole Lind I guess turned into a wasted pick and Gadjovich is gonzo so tough 2nd round for us eh.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
Panarin and Tavares were also 87/84 point players, not 99 pointers. And signed their contracts under a lower cap.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 2:01 pmPanarin/Tavares were 27 when their big contracts started and will be 34 when they end.
A lot of prime years wrapped up in those contracts.
Miller, as you know, will be 30.
That will affect both salary and term.
I say JT gets even less of each than what the Dude suggested.
A 100-point UFA Miller will be one of the top UFA signings of recent history if he makes it to ufa.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
Dallas nailed both their first rounders. They nailed their 2nd rounder and then got a solid player in the 5th. At this point they have 3 of the top 10 players in that draft. Heiskanen is likely equal to EP.
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My point outweighs yours by a long shot.ESQ wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 6:45 pmPanarin and Tavares were also 87/84 point players, not 99 pointers. And signed their contracts under a lower cap.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 2:01 pmPanarin/Tavares were 27 when their big contracts started and will be 34 when they end.
A lot of prime years wrapped up in those contracts.
Miller, as you know, will be 30.
That will affect both salary and term.
I say JT gets even less of each than what the Dude suggested.
A 100-point UFA Miller will be one of the top UFA signings of recent history if he makes it to ufa.
The teams signing those guys were each getting three sub-30-years-of-age seasons!
With Miller you're getting ZERO.
Prime years are huge!
Everyone knows players begin to regress in their 30s (including GMs).
This will be the main factor in lowering the term/salary of Miller's contract relative to Panarin/Tavares.
And come on, Miller had ONE 99-point season.
(he likely regresses toward the mean)
Tavares and Panarin are career point-per-game guys.
Miller has only been a point-per-game guy since he came to Vancouver.
Also Panarin/Tavares absolutely destroy Miller in the Goals Department...
"Lower cap"?? The cap is the same now as when Panarin signed and just $2M higher than when PJ Boy signed.
(we know it will go up a mere $1M the next 2 years and after that all bets are off)
Panarin/Tavares signed pre-pandemic when everyone was positive the cap would continue to rise massively
... meaning more money for Panarin/Tavares in those contracts.
Knowing what we know now, those two would never have received that much.
Likewise... knowing what we know now... well said knowledge applies downward pressure to Miller's next contract.
Fans are saying "OMG OMG Miller's contract is going to be a bad one because of his age + coming off a career year!!"
It's like a lot of fans don't realize GMs get the big bucks to see all these things... and much much more.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
And both of those guys are overpaid.....Tavares more so based upon point production, Panarin more so based upon overall usefulness.ESQ wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 6:45 pmPanarin and Tavares were also 87/84 point players, not 99 pointers. And signed their contracts under a lower cap.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 2:01 pmPanarin/Tavares were 27 when their big contracts started and will be 34 when they end.
A lot of prime years wrapped up in those contracts.
Miller, as you know, will be 30.
That will affect both salary and term.
I say JT gets even less of each than what the Dude suggested.
A 100-point UFA Miller will be one of the top UFA signings of recent history if he makes it to ufa.
If there's not discount from Miller then ship him out. The longevity hasn't been there to make me feel comfortable that he is going to be a 90+ point guy on the regular.
There's also the argument that playoff winners don't blow their wad on just a couple guys.....Tampa may be the exception.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
Problem with Tavares is his skating. The borderline bad skaters fade out faster than most in the NHL (Jamie Benn for example). Miller is a fantastic skater, that doesn’t look like like something he will lose in the next 3-4 seasons and even if he loses a step he’s still miles faster than Tavares. Panarin is puny and plays the perimeter, fantastic regular season player like Marner is but like Marner he sucks post season. Again, Miller playe the hard areas, Panarin the Puny doesn’t
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I’m not sure I’d say Miller is a fantastic skater but he’s certainly quicker than Tavares and Benn.
I wonder if the Flyers may be a suitor for JT. Or Columbus. Both teams have some interesting assets.
I wonder if the Flyers may be a suitor for JT. Or Columbus. Both teams have some interesting assets.
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The Flyers have made it known they are about to do a full tear it down rebuild. Miller isn’t in their wheelhouse which is unfortunate because Miller is from PennsylvaniaBlob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:29 am I’m not sure I’d say Miller is a fantastic skater but he’s certainly quicker than Tavares and Benn.
I wonder if the Flyers may be a suitor for JT. Or Columbus. Both teams have some interesting assets.
Miller is a very good skater bro, geezus h crepes who ya watching? Jason Allison?
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There's a difference between a very good skater and a fantastic skater.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:36 amThe Flyers have made it known they are about to do a full tear it down rebuild. Miller isn’t in their wheelhouse which is unfortunate because Miller is from PennsylvaniaBlob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:29 am I’m not sure I’d say Miller is a fantastic skater but he’s certainly quicker than Tavares and Benn.
I wonder if the Flyers may be a suitor for JT. Or Columbus. Both teams have some interesting assets.
Miller is a very good skater bro, geezus h crepes who ya watching? Jason Allison?
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Ok, he ain’t Pavel Bure, McDavid, Barzal, Mike Gartner ffs, Yvonne cournoyer, is that better? He’s a very good skater.
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Did the Flyers tell you this in your sleep? Any links to the grand announcement?Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:36 amThe Flyers have made it known they are about to do a full tear it down rebuild. Miller isn’t in their wheelhouse which is unfortunate because Miller is from PennsylvaniaBlob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:29 am I’m not sure I’d say Miller is a fantastic skater but he’s certainly quicker than Tavares and Benn.
I wonder if the Flyers may be a suitor for JT. Or Columbus. Both teams have some interesting assets.
Miller is a very good skater bro, geezus h crepes who ya watching? Jason Allison?
He’s an above average skater- maybe even good. Nowhere near “fantastic” skaters like Connor, Mack or Barzal. Hell he’s nowhere near as quick as Motte.
What does Jason Allison have to do with anything?
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
Him and Dana Murzyn went to the same skating schoolBlob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:53 amWhat does Jason Allison have to do with anything?Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:36 amThe Flyers have made it known they are about to do a full tear it down rebuild. Miller isn’t in their wheelhouse which is unfortunate because Miller is from PennsylvaniaBlob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:29 am I’m not sure I’d say Miller is a fantastic skater but he’s certainly quicker than Tavares and Benn.
I wonder if the Flyers may be a suitor for JT. Or Columbus. Both teams have some interesting assets.
Miller is a very good skater bro, geezus h crepes who ya watching? Jason Allison?
“Tyler Myers is my guy... I was taking to Scotty Bowman last night and he was bringing up his name, and saying he’s a big guy and big guy need big minutes to play, he is playing great for ya… and I agree with him… He’s been exceptional” - Bruce Boudreau