The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
This is a great thread, lots to ponder on.
My take is that it seems that JR and his two years to excellence comment means no teardown but more depth and a couple of good additions up top.
That sounds like JB and his promises.
So I’m inclined to wonder if there should be a teardown this time.
But I’m also of the view that the idea itself may not be bad, that better execution could mean a quick effective reload.
If it doesn’t work then the pain will be immense.
My take is that it seems that JR and his two years to excellence comment means no teardown but more depth and a couple of good additions up top.
That sounds like JB and his promises.
So I’m inclined to wonder if there should be a teardown this time.
But I’m also of the view that the idea itself may not be bad, that better execution could mean a quick effective reload.
If it doesn’t work then the pain will be immense.
Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
Anything but this and the window to win now is closed. This one tweak is the difference between winning now and spinning their wheels maybe making the playoffs, but not much else.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:54 pm Aaron, I feel if we're going to trade one of our big 5 forwards, it needs to involve a top-4 RSD coming back.
Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
I can't see a teardown happening. Trading a forward for a D isn't a teardown, and I don't see Quinn, Demko, Bo or the alien getting traded. A teardown would be trading 2 of them. Not happening
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
dangler wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:19 amAnything but this and the window to win now is closed. This one tweak is the difference between winning now and spinning their wheels maybe making the playoffs, but not much else.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:54 pm Aaron, I feel if we're going to trade one of our big 5 forwards, it needs to involve a top-4 RSD coming back.
Not sure it’s ‘anything but this’… the Canucks are close to competing.
If they maintain their forwards, They need an upgrade at 3rd Center, and a replacement for Motte to make the 4th line run again (stats and eye test show our 4th line was not effective without Motte) as well as a couple of RS defenceman. The depth issues for the team need time to fix themselves through the draft as the cupboards are bare, and imo, giving up picks for players at this stage is not the right answer.
The 3C position is Dickensen. His cap hit is 2.6m. He has rational skill set and contract. He is tradeable for someone else’s 3C with only a mild sweetener. A second option is to explore UFA replacements and trade Dickenson for a later round pick (this is my preference, but sometimes there is a hockey trade out there that makes sense)
Resign Motte if he will take 1.5 or less. As far as depth guys go, he seems to be more valuable to us than anyone else. If he wants more, go shopping in UFA for someone else. There is no need to trade for 4th liners.
RS defence.. we are looking for 1 or possibly 2 guys. If we can find a Poolman replacement through free agency (or a cap dump trade to a team like Tampa for Cernak - as an example [this is the only way I would give up a draft pick]) then we are good. I am happy with Schenn as our #6 defenceman, sign a Schenn clone for depth and carry on. Let Myers (and OEL) play out his contract(s) or take assets for him, but don’t spend assets to remove him from the team. We don’t have to move him and he is only overpaid by a couple million. We are all a little gunshy of Loui style ‘dead space contracts’ around here but forget that OEL and Myers are simply overpaid (about 2 million each) but not unserviceable as players.
I guess I am saying that if we add a 5million dollar RS defenceman, (according to Tciso math), we are closer to competing than most people think.
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Well Myers is a $6 Mill. RS defenseman. You think someone worth a million less is going to fit the bill?Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:48 amdangler wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:19 amAnything but this and the window to win now is closed. This one tweak is the difference between winning now and spinning their wheels maybe making the playoffs, but not much else.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:54 pm Aaron, I feel if we're going to trade one of our big 5 forwards, it needs to involve a top-4 RSD coming back.
Not sure it’s ‘anything but this’… the Canucks are close to competing.
If they maintain their forwards, They need an upgrade at 3rd Center, and a replacement for Motte to make the 4th line run again (stats and eye test show our 4th line was not effective without Motte) as well as a couple of RS defenceman. The depth issues for the team need time to fix themselves through the draft as the cupboards are bare, and imo, giving up picks for players at this stage is not the right answer.
The 3C position is Dickensen. His cap hit is 2.6m. He has rational skill set and contract. He is tradeable for someone else’s 3C with only a mild sweetener. A second option is to explore UFA replacements and trade Dickenson for a later round pick (this is my preference, but sometimes there is a hockey trade out there that makes sense)
Resign Motte if he will take 1.5 or less. As far as depth guys go, he seems to be more valuable to us than anyone else. If he wants more, go shopping in UFA for someone else. There is no need to trade for 4th liners.
RS defence.. we are looking for 1 or possibly 2 guys. If we can find a Poolman replacement through free agency (or a cap dump trade to a team like Tampa for Cernak - as an example [this is the only way I would give up a draft pick]) then we are good. I am happy with Schenn as our #6 defenceman, sign a Schenn clone for depth and carry on. Let Myers (and OEL) play out his contract(s) or take assets for him, but don’t spend assets to remove him from the team. We don’t have to move him and he is only overpaid by a couple million. We are all a little gunshy of Loui style ‘dead space contracts’ around here but forget that OEL and Myers are simply overpaid (about 2 million each) but not unserviceable as players.
I guess I am saying that if we add a 5million dollar RS defenceman, (according to Tciso math), we are closer to competing than most people think.
You seem more concerned with a 3rd C & a Motte replacement than the RS D.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
dangler wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 10:47 amWell Myers is a $6 Mill. RS defenseman. You think someone worth a million less is going to fit the bill?Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:48 amdangler wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 8:19 amAnything but this and the window to win now is closed. This one tweak is the difference between winning now and spinning their wheels maybe making the playoffs, but not much else.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:54 pm Aaron, I feel if we're going to trade one of our big 5 forwards, it needs to involve a top-4 RSD coming back.
Not sure it’s ‘anything but this’… the Canucks are close to competing.
If they maintain their forwards, They need an upgrade at 3rd Center, and a replacement for Motte to make the 4th line run again (stats and eye test show our 4th line was not effective without Motte) as well as a couple of RS defenceman. The depth issues for the team need time to fix themselves through the draft as the cupboards are bare, and imo, giving up picks for players at this stage is not the right answer.
The 3C position is Dickensen. His cap hit is 2.6m. He has rational skill set and contract. He is tradeable for someone else’s 3C with only a mild sweetener. A second option is to explore UFA replacements and trade Dickenson for a later round pick (this is my preference, but sometimes there is a hockey trade out there that makes sense)
Resign Motte if he will take 1.5 or less. As far as depth guys go, he seems to be more valuable to us than anyone else. If he wants more, go shopping in UFA for someone else. There is no need to trade for 4th liners.
RS defence.. we are looking for 1 or possibly 2 guys. If we can find a Poolman replacement through free agency (or a cap dump trade to a team like Tampa for Cernak - as an example [this is the only way I would give up a draft pick]) then we are good. I am happy with Schenn as our #6 defenceman, sign a Schenn clone for depth and carry on. Let Myers (and OEL) play out his contract(s) or take assets for him, but don’t spend assets to remove him from the team. We don’t have to move him and he is only overpaid by a couple million. We are all a little gunshy of Loui style ‘dead space contracts’ around here but forget that OEL and Myers are simply overpaid (about 2 million each) but not unserviceable as players.
I guess I am saying that if we add a 5million dollar RS defenceman, (according to Tciso math), we are closer to competing than most people think.
You seem more concerned with a 3rd C & a Motte replacement than the RS D.
Well, I was actually looking to upgrade ‘the Poolman’ slot by about 5million (or so) to have someone to play with Hughes who is better than Schenn.
And yeah, I think a 4.5 (ish) million dollar guy could play the second pairing RS Dman. Lots of people are keen on getting rid of Myers and/or OELs contracts, I was commenting more on that we are simply overpaying them a bit and they are a serviceable 2nd pairing, as such, we don’t need to ‘dump the contracts’ (which means we pay to get rid of them).
Guess I could have worded that better.
And yeah, if we don’t change our main forward group, by filling the 3C and Motte replacement makes us a solid 4 line team. Dickenson turns our Top 9 into a Top 6 (offence goes to die on his stick), and without Motte, our 4th line sucked. Need to have 4 lines that can play in the playoffs. Petan, Rempal, Dries etc. simply are not gonna cut it.
Working on ‘The Tisco Budget’, I can see management simply retooling the team (figuring out the bottom 6), adding 5million (ish) to the RS defence, signing some UFA depth (like Chaisson) and seeing how they do next year.
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
Exactly!Tciso wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 8:44 pm2 pickets to titsburg please.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 6:36 pmHA!
Sounds like a new version of the old faux pas joke...
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Re: The Canucks 2022 Offseason.
...so speaking of the Poolman, I watch Jani Hakanpaa play solid minutes against the Flames last night, throw his big frame around (250 hits this year) even against the likes of Lucic and block shots at right side D (110 blocks) and I harken back to his 3 year 4.5 million dollar deal and the conversation Curm, myself and others had about this player post Poolman signing.
Revisionism for sure but Jani was perhaps the better option after all....
Revisionism for sure but Jani was perhaps the better option after all....
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Thank you to whomever made my text bold.
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It’s really the little things hey MCP…
Silence intelligence so stupid isn’t offended….
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Yeah. We don't usually see someone nail the proper use of "whom" vs "who". Well done.
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Tragically, we didn't this time, either. It should have been "whoever" in that case.
(Honestly, I wouldn't point it out except that it had already become a point of discussion.)
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...is mentioned once behind the original use actually a point of discussion?Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 7:03 pm (Honestly, I wouldn't point it out except that it had already become a point of discussion.)
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The 'Chain of Command' is the chain I am going to beat you with until you understand I am in charge.