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I keep going back to one of Bruce's first interviews where he talked about starting off by rebuilding their entire puck possession and puck management deployment. This pretty well points the finger directly and Travis and Nolan.

It was an instant transformation really. They looked totally different with the exact same roster and haven't looked back.

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...simply coach in the show and hired as a Head Coach are 2 separate questions.

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Cousin Strawberry wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:58 am I keep going back to one of Bruce's first interviews where he talked about starting off by rebuilding their entire puck possession and puck management deployment. This pretty well points the finger directly and Travis and Nolan.
Some yes. I remember BB saying that they changed the pk because the standing around was clearly not getting it done. That was a shot.

Another thing he mentioned publicly was getting them to shoot more.

I also think there was that initial momentum from the coach change whereby everyone wanted to show the new coach that they have game. So more energy in general and new deployments in particular - most notably skill guys mixed into the pk
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donlever wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:17 am ...simply coach in the show and hired as a Head Coach are 2 separate questions.

Whatchumean mang?
He could possibly assist i suppose but not as a HC
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Kenji wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:53 am
Cousin Strawberry wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:58 am I keep going back to one of Bruce's first interviews where he talked about starting off by rebuilding their entire puck possession and puck management deployment. This pretty well points the finger directly and Travis and Nolan.
Some yes. I remember BB saying that they changed the pk because the standing around was clearly not getting it done. That was a shot.

Another thing he mentioned publicly was getting them to shoot more.

I also think there was that initial momentum from the coach change whereby everyone wanted to show the new coach that they have game. So more energy in general and new deployments in particular - most notably skill guys mixed into the pk
Green also had them funneling pucks back to the D pretty well 100% of the time and teams were cheating way high on us, turning pucks over and heading the other way. (Topper mentioned this earlier)

BB likes to have them work defenses down low far more which taxes defenses causing more turnovers
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Green may get another coaching gig but he's going to have to show he can adapt likely by taking a lesser role first.

Yup as Topper said, he was more focused on a system and afraid to let the players be creative.

This likely comes from coaching lower levels (WHL the AHL) where systems can have more impact and lead to less mistakes. Guys in the NHL can adapt much more quickly to a system but also have the skill and typically the hockey IQ to be more creative without making too many mistakes.

He tried to force a system on players instead of playing a style more adept to his roster.
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Anyone who has managed for several years can look back and see that early on they tried to micromanage far to much. Sooner or later you have to acknowledge and have faith in your team of people.

I suspect Green has learned a lot but seeing what Bruce has done with the same lineup.

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...to add to AP's post it's also how dude got and kept a playing gig I'm the league.

Tough thing for ex-players as coaches.

Adaptability.

See beyond what made you/was coached into you as a player and morph your style outwards from there....
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Topper wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:24 pm Anyone who has managed for several years can look back and see that early on they tried to micromanage far to much. Sooner or later you have to acknowledge and have faith in your team of people.

I suspect Green has learned a lot but seeing what Bruce has done with the same lineup.

If he hasn't, fuck him.

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Topper wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:24 pm
I suspect Green has learned a lot but seeing what Bruce has done with the same lineup.

If he hasn't, fuck him.
If he has, still fuck him.
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donlever wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:26 pm
Topper wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:24 pm Anyone who has managed for several years can look back and see that early on they tried to micromanage far to much. Sooner or later you have to acknowledge and have faith in your team of people.

I suspect Green has learned a lot but seeing what Bruce has done with the same lineup.

If he hasn't, fuck him.

...ability to defer from micro-managing and delegate.

The most important characteristic of a successful manager.
I have people to delegate for me.
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Easy boys, I saw Cuz earlier.

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Topper wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:28 pm
donlever wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:26 pm
Topper wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:24 pm Anyone who has managed for several years can look back and see that early on they tried to micromanage far to much. Sooner or later you have to acknowledge and have faith in your team of people.

I suspect Green has learned a lot but seeing what Bruce has done with the same lineup.

If he hasn't, fuck him.

...ability to defer from micro-managing and delegate.

The most important characteristic of a successful manager.
I have people to delegate for me.
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Great points, AP.

But last night, those bottom 6 AHLers had no problem adapting to Bruce's system. They, and the rest of the team were really consistently good for the entire 60 minutes.

We've seen them have other good games since BB arrived where they've hung with better teams with much less firepower. I have no doubt Brad Shaw actually has more input now than when he was under Green.

I think Green & Baumer just don't have the creativity and were scared to exit their comfort zone. They've got much learning to still do. Don't see him back as a head coach for awhile without more seasoning as an assistant under a very good bench boss.

Yeah, fuck him.

Also, can anyone tell me what Jason King does?
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donlever wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:29 pm Easy boys, I saw Cuz earlier.

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