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Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:31 pm Sutter averaged over 17 min in one season in Pittsburgh. The other two season he averaged 16:24 and 15:46. He averaged over 17 min once in Carolina and averaged 8:51, 16:33 and 16:51. Those Carolina teams were the shits. So in 2 of 7 seasons he cleared 17 min. For the rancid Canucks squad of the last four years he’s been over 17 min because they have been a terrible putrid team. On a good team he’s on the fourth line at his age.

No matter how you spin it Sutts has proven himself worthy of being given top-6 icetime every single season of the last 10

... on three different teams and by 5 different coaches.

What evidence do you have that he's a 4th liner all of a sudden?

Zip. Zilch. Zero.

Why do you insist on flinging your stinky poop all over these boards?

And he includes Mr Sutter's 50-game rookie season I said last 10 seasons, not 11.

Anyway, in the end you've got nothing but that "opinion" you pulled out of your backside, moving on...

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:43 pm Bonino helped them win two cups.

They won those Cups despite Bonino.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:43 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:37 pm To Vancouver

- Sutter - still Canuck property
- Lockwood - still Canuck property

To Pittsburgh

- Bonino - no longer Pittsburgh property
- Clendenning - no longer Pittsburgh property
- Gustavsson - no longer Pittsburgh property

Bonino helped them win two cups.

And surely they wouldn’t have won those without him and those amazing phone it in playoff skills we saw of him against the Flames. The only player who showed up in those playoffs (Burrows) happens to be Blobs most hated Canuck

It is Hargraves opinion that the way that Sutter has performed the last couple of seasons that he is in a steep decline. He wouldn’t skate in a good teams top nine IMHO.

You can pull up ice time stats from when ever the fuck you want. He’s only ever played on a good team for 3/11 years. The last time he did was four years ago. He can’t pass the puck. He is somewhat useful and it’s probably smart to retain him and hope that Gaudette pushes him out of a job at some point.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:53 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:43 pm Bonino helped them win two cups.

They won those Cups despite Bonino.

Didn’t win fuck all with Sutter.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:55 pm It is Hargraves opinion that the way that Sutter has performed the last couple of seasons that he is in a steep decline.

We'll take coach Green's opinion over yours but thanks for coming out...

- Just turned 30
- is a centre (valuable position)
- just 2 years left on contract
- contract is a modified 15 team NTC
- contract per year is just $4.35 Million
- well like by teammates
- excellent two-way centre

What’s not to like?

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:58 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:55 pm It is Hargraves opinion that the way that Sutter has performed the last couple of seasons that he is in a steep decline.

We'll take coach Green's opinion over yours but thanks for coming out...

On a team with no depth he absolutely will get ice time.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:00 pm - Just turned 30
- is a centre (valuable position)
- just 2 years left on contract
- contract is a modified 15 team NTC
- contract per year is just $4.35 Million
- well like by teammates
- excellent two-way centre

What’s not to like?

Just 4.35 million

Can’t complete a pass. Has no vision, is very soft and avoids contact. Johnathan Toews and Patrice Bergeron are excellent two way centres. Guys who average 30 points a year are not considered excellent two way centres. I imagine Goldobin loves Sutter.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:56 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:53 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:43 pm Bonino helped them win two cups.

They won those Cups despite Bonino.

Didn’t win fuck all with Sutter.

Oh yes it was Bonino who made all the difference, not Pissed Off Kessel or Hagelin!

You despised the very core of Bones when he was here!!

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:02 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:58 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:55 pm It is Hargraves opinion that the way that Sutter has performed the last couple of seasons that he is in a steep decline.

We'll take coach Green's opinion over yours but thanks for coming out...

On a team with no depth he absolutely will get ice time.

As shown, Mr Sutter gets tons of icetime on all teams, depth or no...

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:04 pm Just 4.35 million

Can’t complete a pass. Has no vision, is very soft and avoids contact. Johnathan Toews and Patrice Bergeron are excellent two way centres. Guys who average 30 points a year are not considered excellent two way centres.

He's been worth the money for his stellar defensive play alone.

Not a very good passer but he's been improving on that.

He's not strong or overly aggressive, but he's not exactly "soft" either.

Doesn't have much vision, true.

Great in the dot though and has a great shot though he seldom gets to use it.

Fast as the wind.

Toews will make $10.5M til he's 35 and Bergeron will make $6.875M til he's 36.

Shouldn't you instead be comparing contracts to the likes of Benoit Pouliot and Darren Helm?

Dont forget his bird bones...

I thought that one was hilarious

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Reef wants to know why cant we all just get along?