Apparent contradiction?
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Re: Apparent contradiction?
Piss or get off the pot time for Jake, Gaunce, Hutton, lil'trojan, Granlund, Lipstick, Mott
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Re: Apparent contradiction?
This season for Hutton and Stetcher definitely. Probably Granlund as well. For the rest, I’d say next season will be point where they have to prove they’re going to be part of the team moving forward. At that point, management will have a better idea what they have on the farm who can replace them.
Of the bunch, I have highest hopes for Jake and Stetcher.
Of the bunch, I have highest hopes for Jake and Stetcher.
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Re: Apparent contradiction?
Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Eriksson Sutter Petterson
Virtanen Gaudette Gagne
Gaunce Beagle Roussel
Schaller
Granlund
Goldobin
Leipsic
They have to get rid of Granlund and Gagne and trade Sutter over this season with what’s coming up the pipeline. It’s not worth having those 3 ruin the potential of players like Goldobin whose ceiling we may never know. If Dahlen and Gaudette have excellent camps it may force their hands to make room. Too much dead weight
Eriksson Sutter Petterson
Virtanen Gaudette Gagne
Gaunce Beagle Roussel
Schaller
Granlund
Goldobin
Leipsic
They have to get rid of Granlund and Gagne and trade Sutter over this season with what’s coming up the pipeline. It’s not worth having those 3 ruin the potential of players like Goldobin whose ceiling we may never know. If Dahlen and Gaudette have excellent camps it may force their hands to make room. Too much dead weight
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I basically agree with you.RoyalDude wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:36 am Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Eriksson Sutter Petterson
Virtanen Gaudette Gagne
Gaunce Beagle Roussel
Schaller
Granlund
Goldobin
Leipsic
They have to get rid of Granlund and Gagne and trade Sutter over this season with what’s coming up the pipeline. It’s not worth having those 3 ruin the potential of players like Goldobin whose ceiling we may never know. If Dahlen and Gaudette have excellent camps it may force their hands to make room. Too much dead weight
if and when Sutter is traded, I hope it is for a center who excels at PKing.
Even though he's damned proficient in the role, I'd hate to see Horvat get stuck with the #1 PK center role.
He's just too good at driving to the net on offense.
We need that.
We need even younger players to see that.
A lot.
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They shouldn’t trade Sutter until Pettersson and Gaudette have been successful at centre at the NHL level. Sutter can always move to the wing if they are ready. He has a NTC this year, and there is no rush to move him at all. Next year and the year after he has a motified no trade clause. If you can get anything trade Gagner and Goldobin. They can go because they suck defensively and better players are competing for their jobs, but Sutter should be kept around much longer. He is good at what he does.
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Interesting. Clearly, the players you name on the trade away list are not part of your Championship Dynasty Vancouver Canucks roster. I guess you never bought the "Sutter is foundational" spin.RoyalDude wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:36 am They have to get rid of Granlund and Gagne and trade Sutter over this season with what’s coming up the pipeline. It’s not worth having those 3 ruin the potential of players like Goldobin whose ceiling we may never know. If Dahlen and Gaudette have excellent camps it may force their hands to make room. Too much dead weight
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Bo is a very average penalty killer. Though for this hockey team that could be described as “damned proficient” I guess.micky107 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:17 amI basically agree with you.RoyalDude wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:36 am Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Eriksson Sutter Petterson
Virtanen Gaudette Gagne
Gaunce Beagle Roussel
Schaller
Granlund
Goldobin
Leipsic
They have to get rid of Granlund and Gagne and trade Sutter over this season with what’s coming up the pipeline. It’s not worth having those 3 ruin the potential of players like Goldobin whose ceiling we may never know. If Dahlen and Gaudette have excellent camps it may force their hands to make room. Too much dead weight
if and when Sutter is traded, I hope it is for a center who excels at PKing.
Even though he's damned proficient in the role, I'd hate to see Horvat get stuck with the #1 PK center role.
He's just too good at driving to the net on offense.
We need that.
We need even younger players to see that.
A lot.
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Facts, Pens likely would have kept Sutter had they didn't need the cap space, Cup contenders would love a Sutter as their 3rd line C imesho. He and Granlund were Green's top PK forwards in ice time - if you watch Granlund positioning and stick work he's actually really intelligent defensively, plus he has some scoring capabilities.Cherry Picker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:18 am They shouldn’t trade Sutter until Pettersson and Gaudette have been successful at centre at the NHL level. Sutter can always move to the wing if they are ready. He has a NTC this year, and there is no rush to move him at all. Next year and the year after he has a motified no trade clause. If you can get anything trade Gagner and Goldobin. They can go because they suck defensively and better players are competing for their jobs, but Sutter should be kept around much longer. He is good at what he does.
Sutter 3C
Beagle 4C
Expensive, but well worth the money as they play the most important forward position (center) and are superb at what they do, probably our best bottom six centers we've ever had, now if one gets injured our bottom six won't collapse and be dead in the water like the past few years.
Plus with Pettersson on his 3 year ELC and Horvat on a semi-friendly contract, that buys time to be able to afford those excellent depth centers.
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I think the Penguins did just fine with Nick Bonino as their 3rd line centre.
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Yup, I wasn't talking about Bonino and his capabilities, I was talking about cap hits specifically Sutter's, and they shaved off just enough in that trade to be able to get another dman for depth iirc.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:29 am I think the Penguins did just fine with Nick Bonino as their 3rd line centre.
They tried Sheahan and Brassard last season, didn't work out.
The Pens are constantly are trying to revamp their bottom six centers with limited cap space behind their heralded Crosby/Malkin duo.
I'm just saying with Horvat's semi-friendly contract, and Pettersson ELC, the Canucks can afford to spend cap money on some quality depth centers.
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Personally, I was hoping that before the end of Sutter's contract, Gaudette would be the 3rd best centre in the Canucks system.
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Yeah that's the master plan, and to be elite defensively in the NHL, typically you need years of NHL experience of learning the ropes - why the best defensive forwards are veterans, so Sutter/Beags contracts are perfectly timed to help Gaudette earn his defensive stripes these next few years.Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:53 amPersonally, I was hoping that before the end of Sutter's contract, Gaudette would be the 3rd best centre in the Canucks system.
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Certainly nothing wrong with having five NHL centres. Injuries are always a problem. Pettersson, Horvat, Gaudette, Sutter, Beagle is nice centre depth. If they all reach their potential and stay healthy (which are big ifs), Sutter can be moved to right wing on a shut down line. The cost for that centre depth is pretty cheap all together for the next three years because of the ELCs.
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