I think this is more aimed at me, so here's how I see it - no, it's not just 'no trade deals, not Benning's fault'Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:57 pmNice to quote me but don't forget the part that said I agreed with him not strong arming any of those other players. Yes Benning had a choice, I don't see anyone disputing that. But his choices were extremely limited, which is the part you forget.Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:39 pmPointing out that Benning had more options that people usually ascribe to him isn't "bashing"; it is, if anything, "excuse dismissal".
But if you believe that the rebuild is going brilliantly, and has been since Benning took the reins, then you don't think he needs any excuses, do you?
I am beginning to feel some sympathy with Blob's frustration at your reading comprehension skills. Maybe try re-reading Hockey Widow's post -- as I said, she explained it better.
You're a pretty insightful poster when you're sober. Have you considered a breathalyzer lock for your CC login ?
Kesler, waived to 1-2 teams, depending upon who tells the story.In the end only one team. Benning got what he could.
Hamhuis injured, came back and refused to waive until about a week before the TDD. Then only 1-2 teams. In the end Dallas tried to get one over on Benning and Benning decided that having Hamhuis finish out the year with the Canucks Brough more value than a 4th round pick.
Bieksa, agreed to waive for a handful of teams but only if they agreed to a two year extension.
Burrows agreed to waive but only to a team that agreed to a 2 year extension.
Hansen gave a list.
Edler refused to waive.
I'm not sure how much more Benning could have gotten done in those above mentioned. Who else should he have strong armed in your opinion? Like really who did he refuse to trade or refuse to push out the door? Higgins? He tried for 1.5 years to trade him, no takers. Prust? No takers. Vrbata? He provided a list as required but no takers.
I'm confused by who you think he wasted an opportunity to move.
Kesler - waived to 1-2 teams, Jimbo got the best he could. I'm fine with it.
Hamhuis - Benning didn't ask him to waive until right before the deadline. Piss poor planning, smart GMs see this happening weeks or even months in advance and get the player prepared to waive then
Bieksa - agreed to waive, was traded to SJ which didn't happen, then traded to Anaheim. Again, good business
Burr - agreed to waive as he thought it would help the team. Good trade even if Dahlen didn't work out
Edler - Jimbo approached him, again right at the deadline, to see if he would waive. Piss poor planning once again, especially when you consider they had already had extension discussions and agreed on most points! If you want a guy to waive, especially one who doesn't necessarily want to leave, then you don't wave a new contract in front of him first.
Garrison - yep, forced him to waive because he wasn't needed, good business.
The truth is that for most of these guys Jimbo didn't want or try to trade them, because he thought they were needed. That may be fine but to then say he was hamstrung by NTCs is disingenuous - fact is Jimbo didn't want to trade them and really didn't try very hard. Can't have it both ways, wanting to keep the player and blaming NTCs as well.