I see a couple guys underpaid. A few guys on decent deals, a few guys on meh deals and some guys grossly overpaid. The idea is to get more good value contracts.Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:32 pmMore of your Vancouver Canucks are underpaid than overpaid Mr Negative.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:55 pmElmer needs to start lowballing guys instead of bending over in every contract negotiation. In a vacuum Granlund is fine getting 1.5. Then you add in a half dozen other guys who are overpaid and it doesn’t take long to throw the whole payroll out of whack.Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:18 pmI'd be fine with 1.5M. He's a versatile depth guy that could take a regular third line shift when the injuries hit.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:48 pm Of course Granlund will sign a one year deal. He has no leverage. I read somewhere that he would likely get 1.5 a season. Severe overpayment if so. If he wants more than 1 million a season tell him to take a hike. I would be phoning to see if you can get a 4th or 5th rounder for him. What is the threshold where you can bury him in the minors and it doesn’t count against the cap? That’s what they need to be able to do with a borderline guy like Granlund
I especially love the Horvat/Tanev extensions.
Lot's of cap room for the new core moving forward, there's no problem here...
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The only real bad contract is UFA signing Loui Eriksson, back when the owners wanted that quick turnaround after the Sedins were re-signed by Gillis and they missed out on Lucic.
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Maybe Eriksson is the only real bad deal. I see five others that are pretty bad. And they have yet to sign Virtanen, Baertschi and Granlund or Bozak or whatever other slugs they sign in July. Save the space for 2019. Trade Baertschi and Granlund. Re sign Jake and sign some useful vets to one year deals.SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:07 pm The only real bad contract is UFA signing Loui Eriksson, back when the owners wanted that quick turnaround after the Sedins were re-signed by Gillis and they missed out on Lucic.
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If Granlund could be MORE, effective at center, even 49-51 pct., that would garner a better paycheck.
As it is, with the way he's been, I would offer him 1.1 but put in a couple of bonus clauses.
Not to be considered a slap in the face, more like a kick in the ass..
He seems a little, um, comfy at times.
As it is, with the way he's been, I would offer him 1.1 but put in a couple of bonus clauses.
Not to be considered a slap in the face, more like a kick in the ass..
He seems a little, um, comfy at times.
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In an ideal world, sure I agree, but Granlund has proven that he is a capable NHL player and guys that can take a regular shift are all getting over a million these days.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:55 pmElmer needs to start lowballing guys instead of bending over in every contract negotiation. In a vacuum Granlund is fine getting 1.5. Then you add in a half dozen other guys who are overpaid and it doesn’t take long to throw the whole payroll out of whack.Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:18 pmI'd be fine with 1.5M. He's a versatile depth guy that could take a regular third line shift when the injuries hit.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:48 pm Of course Granlund will sign a one year deal. He has no leverage. I read somewhere that he would likely get 1.5 a season. Severe overpayment if so. If he wants more than 1 million a season tell him to take a hike. I would be phoning to see if you can get a 4th or 5th rounder for him. What is the threshold where you can bury him in the minors and it doesn’t count against the cap? That’s what they need to be able to do with a borderline guy like Granlund
Caggiula (20 pts in 67 games - with plenty of McDavid time) got $1.5M. Joakim Nordstrom (7 pts in 75 games) got $1.2M; Johan Larsson (17 in 80) got $1.475. So yeah, a "good" deal for Benning is in that low 1's range, and a "bad" deal is anything pushing $2M.
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Blob what are the other five bad ones in your opinion? Gagner, Gudbranson who else?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:12 pmMaybe Eriksson is the only real bad deal. I see five others that are pretty bad. And they have yet to sign Virtanen, Baertschi and Granlund or Bozak or whatever other slugs they sign in July. Save the space for 2019. Trade Baertschi and Granlund. Re sign Jake and sign some useful vets to one year deals.SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:07 pm The only real bad contract is UFA signing Loui Eriksson, back when the owners wanted that quick turnaround after the Sedins were re-signed by Gillis and they missed out on Lucic.
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Hutton, Sutter and Nilsson. I get that teams have bad deals. I just want to minimize the ones we have. In fairnesss to Sutter he was much better this past year than previously. He’s still overpaid but he’s one of the few forwards o bathe team that can actually defend.Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:50 amBlob what are the other five bad ones in your opinion? Gagner, Gudbranson who else?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:12 pmMaybe Eriksson is the only real bad deal. I see five others that are pretty bad. And they have yet to sign Virtanen, Baertschi and Granlund or Bozak or whatever other slugs they sign in July. Save the space for 2019. Trade Baertschi and Granlund. Re sign Jake and sign some useful vets to one year deals.SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:07 pm The only real bad contract is UFA signing Loui Eriksson, back when the owners wanted that quick turnaround after the Sedins were re-signed by Gillis and they missed out on Lucic.
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I agree with buttons, Nilsson was looking decent last year in buffalo and he looked good initially here as well. Something happened there not sure what. But as for Sutter, Gagner, and guddy, the only one of those I really dislike is Gagner, however for the term on it and the fact he’s playing on a shitty team with a bunch of young guys he was gonna get more than he was worth.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:08 amHutton, Sutter and Nilsson. I get that teams have bad deals. I just want to minimize the ones we have. In fairnesss to Sutter he was much better this past year than previously. He’s still overpaid but he’s one of the few forwards o bathe team that can actually defend.Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:50 amBlob what are the other five bad ones in your opinion? Gagner, Gudbranson who else?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:12 pmMaybe Eriksson is the only real bad deal. I see five others that are pretty bad. And they have yet to sign Virtanen, Baertschi and Granlund or Bozak or whatever other slugs they sign in July. Save the space for 2019. Trade Baertschi and Granlund. Re sign Jake and sign some useful vets to one year deals.SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:07 pm The only real bad contract is UFA signing Loui Eriksson, back when the owners wanted that quick turnaround after the Sedins were re-signed by Gillis and they missed out on Lucic.
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Like we really need a better goalie coach!!! Come on Trev. I know your out there somewhere.
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When we played the coilers i found myself hoping kassian would grind his face on the boards again like that preseason game however many years ago...
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Hutton's contract is only terrible because of the season he had last year. He has 1 year left and makes $1M less than Pizza Sbisa did. Even the league minimum would have been bad for him last year because of what a liability he was.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:08 amHutton, Sutter and Nilsson. I get that teams have bad deals. I just want to minimize the ones we have. In fairnesss to Sutter he was much better this past year than previously. He’s still overpaid but he’s one of the few forwards o bathe team that can actually defend.Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:50 amBlob what are the other five bad ones in your opinion? Gagner, Gudbranson who else?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:12 pmMaybe Eriksson is the only real bad deal. I see five others that are pretty bad. And they have yet to sign Virtanen, Baertschi and Granlund or Bozak or whatever other slugs they sign in July. Save the space for 2019. Trade Baertschi and Granlund. Re sign Jake and sign some useful vets to one year deals.SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:07 pm The only real bad contract is UFA signing Loui Eriksson, back when the owners wanted that quick turnaround after the Sedins were re-signed by Gillis and they missed out on Lucic.
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Both of our goaltenders were overpaid last season, but when we have only tied up $6M total in our goaltenders it's not that bad.....but he's in the same boat as Hutton, a terrible season.
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Like I say, mentors climbing aboard a rebuild command a premium, and none of those will affect the new core salary structure.
The Horvat contract was key, well done Lord Benning...
The Horvat contract was key, well done Lord Benning...
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Just recently I read an article on coach Green's wishlist and yadda yadda. It was all straightforward and so on but I couldnt help but feel a little concerned when he alluded to Gagner as improving in the latter part of last season, and will likely be a stabilizing influence on the rookies next year.
Maybe I'm off here, but i thought, 'WTH, of all the players that I would like to see Benning make a move on, but.....' It looks like that's not going to be the case. It appears that Green has already been informed about Benning's intent; probably not a lot of teams out there that would want to take on Gag's shitty contract. There's lots that im looking fwd to this coming season, and some things, not so much.
Maybe I'm off here, but i thought, 'WTH, of all the players that I would like to see Benning make a move on, but.....' It looks like that's not going to be the case. It appears that Green has already been informed about Benning's intent; probably not a lot of teams out there that would want to take on Gag's shitty contract. There's lots that im looking fwd to this coming season, and some things, not so much.
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Interesting.nuckster wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:24 pm Just recently I read an article on coach Green's wishlist and yadda yadda. It was all straightforward and so on but I couldnt help but feel a little concerned when he alluded to Gagner as improving in the latter part of last season, and will likely be a stabilizing influence on the rookies next year.
Maybe I'm off here, but i thought, 'WTH, of all the players that I would like to see Benning make a move on, but.....' It looks like that's not going to be the case. It appears that Green has already been informed about Benning's intent; probably not a lot of teams out there that would want to take on Gag's shitty contract. There's lots that im looking fwd to this coming season, and some things, not so much.
Perhaps Skyo was right, perhaps Sammy will be the centre for Dahlen/Pett.
(until Pettersson is ready to take the reins)
Looking at his numbers now, I see they all jumped over his last 16 games.
And I can remember being surprised by a few of his moves in those games along with some nice stickhandling, playmaking...
Baer/Goldie – Horvat – Boeser
Dahlen – Gagner – Pettersson
Eriksson – Sutter – Virtanen
Lipstick – Gaudette - Gaunce
Granlund
Baer/Goldie – trade one
OR
Baer/Goldie – Horvat – Boeser
Dahlen – Gagner – Pettersson
Lipstick – Sutter – Virtanen
Gaunce – Gaudette - Reaves
Granlund
Trade Eriksson, love that Lipstick...
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hee hee... I just looked over Gagner's fighting history at hockeyfights.
Seems he averages one fight per year and has only lost twice according to them.
They say he beat Kesler, Jokinen, and Chiasson.
So yeah, he can protect the young swedes.
Seems he averages one fight per year and has only lost twice according to them.
They say he beat Kesler, Jokinen, and Chiasson.
So yeah, he can protect the young swedes.
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