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Re: Star Power and SC Champions

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Island Nucklehead wrote:
Ronning's Ghost wrote: Maybe you need that Norris-calibre stud defenceman SKYO has always wanted, or maybe you're better off with 4 defencemen who are top-two on most teams, and six who are top-four on most teams. Even if you're trying to build a durable team, injuries are all but certain. As Cornuck said, you need depth. Superstars are actually an impediment to depth.
When was the last team to win a Stanley cup without a superstar? Carolina? Ward was certainly playing like one...
I'd say the LA Kings might be close to that, Kopitar and Doughty are their all-star players, I wouldn't say they are superstars. Kopitar is teetering on that, but his highest point total was 81 points way back in 2010, otherwise he's good for a solid 70 points per year and is trending downward.

Compared to Crosby getting over 100 points a lot, Malkin over 100 points a few times, Patrick Kane got over 100 points once, couple times in the 80s and 70 point range.

McDavid in his 2nd year already scored 100 points ffs. aha :|

Kings were built on size and Sutter's hard farming work style, all their star players reached prime at the same time, wicked depth up front and on defense with a couple Hasek like performances by Quick who got in everyone's mind during their Cup wins.

So if the Canucks can vastly improve their scoring on defense with a solid top 4, having scoring depth in their top 9 with a superb one/two punch of Bo/Elias, a rugged but effective 4th line plus Demko stealing the #1 spot in a couple years, the possibilities are endless for this squad. 8-)

Bruins another team without a scoring superstar, but like the Kings were a solid built team with talent all throughout their lineup with their goalie going on fire.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
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SKYO wrote: So if the Canucks can vastly improve their scoring on defense with a solid top 4, having scoring depth in their top 9 with a superb one/two punch of Bo/Elias, a rugged but effective 4th line plus Demko stealing the #1 spot in a couple years, the possibilities are endless for this squad. 8-)
Just curious, who do u see as our future top 4 D-men and who will make up the rugged 4th line?
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Todd Bersnoozi wrote:
SKYO wrote: So if the Canucks can vastly improve their scoring on defense with a solid top 4, having scoring depth in their top 9 with a superb one/two punch of Bo/Elias, a rugged but effective 4th line plus Demko stealing the #1 spot in a couple years, the possibilities are endless for this squad. 8-)
Just curious, who do u see as our future top 4 D-men and who will make up the rugged 4th line?
Well my hope! is in 2-3 years:

JUOLEVI - STECHER
HUTTON - GUDBRANSON/TANEV/TRYAMKIN

I can see Juo, Hutton and Stecher as 30+ point guys in time,

Juolevi taking the hard minutes when he's around 23 years old+ he's currently 19, so like most Euro dmen it's going to take a few years to see him fully develop.

Be interesting to see how and if Gudbranson can mesh well into the group - stay relatively healthy and Green/Baumer know how use him effectively.

But for now the pairings should be;
Edler - Stecher (the wily ol' vet with the youngster)
Hutton - Tanev (this combo should be dynamite)
MDZ - Guds (depth QB w/ the tough/asshole dman)
Wiercoch/Biega/Holm.

Future rugged 4th line:

A few of these guys:

Gadjovich - Lind - MacEwen - Gaunce - Matt Brassard
Brett McKenzie, William Lockwood.

Gadjovich and Lind have the potential to move up into the top 9 however.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
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SKYO wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Ronning's Ghost wrote: Maybe you need that Norris-calibre stud defenceman SKYO has always wanted, or maybe you're better off with 4 defencemen who are top-two on most teams, and six who are top-four on most teams. Even if you're trying to build a durable team, injuries are all but certain. As Cornuck said, you need depth. Superstars are actually an impediment to depth.
When was the last team to win a Stanley cup without a superstar? Carolina? Ward was certainly playing like one...
I'd say the LA Kings might be close to that, Kopitar and Doughty are their all-star players, I wouldn't say they are superstars. Kopitar is teetering on that, but his highest point total was 81 points way back in 2010, otherwise he's good for a solid 70 points per year and is trending downward.

Bruins another team without a scoring superstar, but like the Kings were a solid built team with talent all throughout their lineup with their goalie going on fire.
Systems matter.

And while you can debate where the cutoff is for "super" vs. "regular" star. What's clear is that the Canucks don't even have any of either.

Kopitar-Doughty-Quick.
Bergeron-Chara-Thomas.

When the Canucks have that kind of setup, we'll be just fine.
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Island Nucklehead wrote: Kopitar-Doughty-Quick.
Bergeron-Chara-Thomas.

When the Canucks have that kind of setup, we'll be just fine.
One could argue that Bo is trending towards Kopitar-like ability. Demko also appears on track, but it's a stretch to think the Canucks have anyone that will match Doughty or Chara, as it seems like an unreasonably optimistic projection for Juolevi.
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Just a hunch, haven't heard anything concrete but Tryamkin could be back sooner than later.
Fingers crossed.
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