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Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:05 pm
by Island Nucklehead
Strangelove wrote: Sutter's contract was essentially a UFA contract...
Yep. For a non-UFA.

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:28 pm
by Strangelove
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote: Quite telling we're defending Sutter's non-UFA contract by pointing to inflated UFA contracts.
UFA years are UFA years.

Sutter's contract was essentially a UFA contract...
Yep. For a non-UFA.
WTF? :hmmm:

I'm trying to be kind here, Benning signed Sutter to a UFA contract!

I know that you are familiar with the term "UFA years"

... well every single year on that contract was a "UFA year". Image

Sutter could have refused to sign with Vancouver and become a UFA instead.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-sutter

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

This conversation started when ESQ compared Sutter's contract to other UFAs.

You said that wasn't a fair comparison.

You were wrong bro.

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:51 pm
by The Brown Wizard
Strangelove wrote:
Sutter could have refused to sign with Vancouver and become a UFA instead.
...and the team wouldn't have even noticed he was gone

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:59 pm
by Strangelove
Uncle dans leg wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Sutter could have refused to sign with Vancouver and become a UFA instead.
...and the team wouldn't have even noticed he was gone
:roll:

Sutter is a great complimentary piece on a good team.

On a bad (read: rebuilding) team, not so much

(though I hear his mentoring skills are top notch) :thumbs:

In two years when your Canucks are a good team you sir will be in love with Mr Sutter.

Oh it's true!!

:wiggle:

PS: Since his arrival Mr Sutter has been top-6 in points-per-game and by far our best faceoff man

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:42 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
Strangelove wrote:In two years when your Canucks are a good team
Sticking to the two-year timeline without even knowing the draft outcome ? Very bold.

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:02 pm
by Strangelove
Ronning's Ghost wrote:
Strangelove wrote:In two years when your Canucks are a good team
Sticking to the two-year timeline without even knowing the draft outcome ? Very bold.
Can't you feel it Cliffy?! :thumbs:

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:26 pm
by The Brown Wizard
Strangelove wrote:
Ronning's Ghost wrote:
Strangelove wrote:In two years when your Canucks are a good team
Sticking to the two-year timeline without even knowing the draft outcome ? Very bold.
Can't you feel it Cliffy?! :thumbs:
Well...


IF they win the lotto and take Nolan Patrick, his injuries have hidden his top end potential to a degree so you might get something special once hes 100%.

If that scenario comes true then it is forseeable theyre competing by then. Only if those 2 scenarios come true though.

So count me as a cautious optimist subject to divine intervention.

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:00 pm
by Doyle Hargraves
Strangelove wrote:
Uncle dans leg wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Sutter could have refused to sign with Vancouver and become a UFA instead.
...and the team wouldn't have even noticed he was gone
:roll:

Sutter is a great complimentary piece on a good team.

On a bad (read: rebuilding) team, not so much

(though I hear his mentoring skills are top notch) :thumbs:

In two years when your Canucks are a good team you sir will be in love with Mr Sutter.

Oh it's true!!

:wiggle:

PS: Since his arrival Mr Sutter has been top-6 in points-per-game and by far our best faceoff man
Considering his icetime is top 2/3 that's wonderful!!!'

His "mentoring skills". LOL tells Goldobin to play with "grit and balls" when Brando has NEVER done this. "Excuse me can you channel your inner Cam Neely while I will play like Edith Bunker".

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:35 am
by micky107
Hey, Edith worked hard. Her problem was she could never stick up for herself when people were mean.
Oh, wait. I get it. :mrgreen:

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:24 am
by Island Nucklehead
Strangelove wrote: Benning signed Sutter to a UFA contract!

I know that you are familiar with the term "UFA years"

... well every single year on that contract was a "UFA year". Image

Sutter could have refused to sign with Vancouver and become a UFA instead.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-sutter

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

This conversation started when ESQ compared Sutter's contract to other UFAs.

You said that wasn't a fair comparison.

You were wrong bro.
Unrestricted Free Agency.

Who was Vancouver competing against for his services? This isn't Mike Gillis flying to Sweden to get the Sedins signed with a couple days to go, this is re-upping a guy who has a year left on his deal.

Will Bo Horvat's next deal be a UFA contract, because it covers a couple "UFA years"?

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:59 pm
by Strangelove
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Strangelove wrote: Benning signed Sutter to a UFA contract!

I know that you are familiar with the term "UFA years"

... well every single year on that contract was a "UFA year". Image

Sutter could have refused to sign with Vancouver and become a UFA instead.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-sutter

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

This conversation started when ESQ compared Sutter's contract to other UFAs.

You said that wasn't a fair comparison.

You were wrong bro.
Unrestricted Free Agency.

Who was Vancouver competing against for his services?
His agent was rightly comparing other Unrestricted Free Agency signings

... please, you aren't this dumb.
Island Nucklehead wrote: Will Bo Horvat's next deal be a UFA contract, because it covers a couple "UFA years"?
A player gets more $$ for each of the Unrestricted Free Agency years in his contract

... this is common knowledge.

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:09 pm
by Strangelove
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Strangelove wrote: Sutter is a great complimentary piece on a good team.

On a bad (read: rebuilding) team, not so much

(though I hear his mentoring skills are top notch) :thumbs:

In two years when your Canucks are a good team you sir will be in love with Mr Sutter.

Oh it's true!!

:wiggle:

PS: Since his arrival Mr Sutter has been top-6 in points-per-game and by far our best faceoff man
Considering his icetime is top 2/3 that's wonderful!!!'
Actually it is wonderful when you consider 2 of those minutes-per-game are spent killing penalties.

And like I say, he was by far our best faceoff man (hopefully he's teaching the kids)
Blob Mckenzie wrote: His "mentoring skills". LOL tells Goldobin to play with "grit and balls" when Brando has NEVER done this. "Excuse me can you channel your inner Cam Neely while I will play like Edith Bunker".
Yeah that's funny Blob, but you know better than to put all your stock in one comment...

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:45 pm
by Island Nucklehead
Strangelove wrote: His agent was comparing other Unrestricted Free Agency signings
ESQ is Sutter's Agent? ESQ is an excellent agent!

Sutter's contract is "essentially" a UFA contract, Virtanen is "essentially" a Gillis pick, the strategy is "essentially" rebuilding.

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:55 pm
by Strangelove
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Strangelove wrote: His agent was comparing other Unrestricted Free Agency signings
ESQ is Sutter's Agent? ESQ is an excellent agent!

Sutter's contract is "essentially" a UFA contract, Virtanen is "essentially" a Gillis pick, the strategy is "essentially" rebuilding.
You know damn well that Sutter's agent (and Benning) were comparing UFAs contracts.

Pending UFAs get paid.

You know damn well Sutter's contract was a UFA contract for the purposes of this conversation.

But hey carry on in your save-face damage-control mode

... maybe folks won't notice what an ass you're making of yourself! :thumbs:

Re: Expansion draft

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:22 pm
by Island Nucklehead
Strangelove wrote: You know damn well Sutter's contract was a UFA contract for the purposes of this conversation.
ESQ was comparing Sutter's contract to players signed as UFA's.
Looking at last season's UFA signings, his contract is far from the worst and is sort of middle-of-the-pack for market value.
So we're comparing a guy that signed a deal a year in advance of hitting UFA status, to players that could shop around and get the highest possible value and term from any bidder in the league. You're saying they're in "essentially" the same situation.

ESQ is saying Sutter's deal isn't bad, considering how much other players got in unrestricted free agency, which ignores that(1) Sutter was never in that position and (2) those deals are often some of the worst you'll see, and are (3) competitively negotiated. So yeah, his non-competitive contract extension is likely to look good by comparison.

If Sutter did hit UFA, and someone gave him $7M, would that vindicate Benning, or just make him less of an idiot than the other guy?

Essentially, the Canucks needed to sign Sutter or risk letting him walk for nothing the following summer. Not exactly a unique situation for any team, and certainly not the same as bidding for his services against other teams come July 1.