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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Meds » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:42 pm

While I think it was an overpayment, especially considering the current pieces on the roster that now have to be figured out, there is no comparing paying a 5th for a soon to be UFA’s rights and getting a player that is making less than Eriksson and signed for another 4 years.

There’s some changes that absolutely have to be made now. The summer is going to be interesting.....hopefully not vexing.

Miller will look like a bargain and nobody will bat an eye at the price tag if Benning can move out two of Loui, Sutter, and Spooner, and JT hits 50 points.

With the cap falling at $81.5M instead of the forecasted $83M, and much speculation that it won’t go up much, if at all, next year, adding a middle-6 forward to this current team is a risk.

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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by The Brown Wizard » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:57 pm

Meds wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:42 pm
While I think it was an overpayment, especially considering the current pieces on the roster that now have to be figured out, there is no comparing paying a 5th for a soon to be UFA’s rights and getting a player that is making less than Eriksson and signed for another 4 years.

There’s some changes that absolutely have to be made now. The summer is going to be interesting.....hopefully not vexing.

Miller will look like a bargain and nobody will bat an eye at the price tag if Benning can move out two of Loui, Sutter, and Spooner, and JT hits 50 points.

With the cap falling at $81.5M instead of the forecasted $83M, and much speculation that it won’t go up much, if at all, next year, adding a middle-6 forward to this current team is a risk.
Benning obviously is operating under the assumption that he will be icing a contender which should indicate he is sure he has the inside track on at least one impact defenseman.

Nobody, including him, would make a move like that if he wasnt fairly certain the team would be improving dramatically and since he identified that defense as a major weakness at the end of the year...somethings brewing
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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Meds » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:13 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:57 pm
Meds wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:42 pm
While I think it was an overpayment, especially considering the current pieces on the roster that now have to be figured out, there is no comparing paying a 5th for a soon to be UFA’s rights and getting a player that is making less than Eriksson and signed for another 4 years.

There’s some changes that absolutely have to be made now. The summer is going to be interesting.....hopefully not vexing.

Miller will look like a bargain and nobody will bat an eye at the price tag if Benning can move out two of Loui, Sutter, and Spooner, and JT hits 50 points.

With the cap falling at $81.5M instead of the forecasted $83M, and much speculation that it won’t go up much, if at all, next year, adding a middle-6 forward to this current team is a risk.
Benning obviously is operating under the assumption that he will be icing a contender which should indicate he is sure he has the inside track on at least one impact defenseman.

Nobody, including him, would make a move like that if he wasnt fairly certain the team would be improving dramatically and since he identified that defense as a major weakness at the end of the year...somethings brewing
Yeah. I think so too. I just hope we’re right.

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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Topper » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:40 am

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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:31 am

DonCherry4PM wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:18 pm
Richardstroker69 wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:34 pm
RoyalDude wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:44 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:43 pm
Hayes will make $7.14M until he's 34, Miller will make $5.25M until he's 30.

Two other teams offered the same trade Canucks did (allegedly).

Blob will piss and moan forever...
Blob is trolling as per usual. It’s a lame comparison, but hey let him play in that sandbox for awhile.
So blob prefers the worse player on a worse contract? Doesn’t he bitch non stop about sutters contract? This is definitely grade A trolling by the blobster.
Cap space doesn't matter in a rebuild so who cares about the contract. :lol:
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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Strangelove » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:01 pm

DonCherry4PM wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:18 pm
Richardstroker69 wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:34 pm
RoyalDude wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:44 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:43 pm
Hayes will make $7.14M until he's 34, Miller will make $5.25M until he's 30.

Two other teams offered the same trade Canucks did (allegedly).

Blob will piss and moan forever...
Blob is trolling as per usual. It’s a lame comparison, but hey let him play in that sandbox for awhile.
So blob prefers the worse player on a worse contract? Doesn’t he bitch non stop about sutters contract? This is definitely grade A trolling by the blobster.
Cap space doesn't matter in a rebuild so who cares about the contract. :lol:
Well this contract will carry on beyond the rebuild.

I've said many times we will need to start being careful with the cap starting in 2021.

Miller's contract runs through 2023, Hayes' contract runs through 2026...
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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by ESQ » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:27 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:38 pm

You want to spin this in a knot, fill your boots. The Flyers spent a 5th on a similar player.

The Flyers get it. Elmer ... and clearly you... don’t.
Blob is now playing checkers with his straw man.

He's so blinded by his hatred, now he's sticking up for the Hayes contract, considered by many outside the 1040 bubble to be the worst in recent memory.

And signed before the final cap number was known like it's amateur hour, yet blob still defends it! :lol:

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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:57 pm

ESQ wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:27 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:38 pm

You want to spin this in a knot, fill your boots. The Flyers spent a 5th on a similar player.

The Flyers get it. Elmer ... and clearly you... don’t.
Blob is now playing checkers with his straw man.

He's so blinded by his hatred, now he's sticking up for the Hayes contract, considered by many outside the 1040 bubble to be the worst in recent memory.

And signed before the final cap number was known like it's amateur hour, yet blob still defends it! :lol:
It’s the sticker price for Miller I don’t like Tiger. But please keep nodding and agreeing with everything Doc says. Does he let you eat any of the corn he digs out of your ass? :lol: Try to keep up youngster, Dud was going on about the price Winnipeg paid for three months of Hayes which was completely irrelevant to the bounty Brisebois extracted from Lennie Small. Either way the Flyers didn’t pay a 1st (a good chance of being a lottery pick) and a 3rd for Hayes. The Flyers paid too much cash but not much in assets. Then again they don’t have losers like Sutter and Eriksson siphoning 10.4 million off the cap, so they could afford to spend a bit more.
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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by ESQ » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:08 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:57 pm

Try to keep up youngster, Dud was going on about the price Winnipeg paid for three months of Hayes which was completely irrelevant to the bounty Brisebois extracted from Lennie Small. Either way the Flyers didn’t pay a 1st (a good chance of being a lottery pick) and a 3rd for Hayes. The Flyers paid too much cash but not much in assets.
Right the flyers didn't give up a 1st, instead they grossly overpaid for 7 years. Cap space is an asset. Try to keep up.

Let me try to simplify it for you - do you think anybody would give the flyers a 1st for Hayes on his contract? At any point in the next 7 years, will he have that value?

If Benning traded Miller tomorrow, do you think he'd get a 1st back?

It's called asset management, blob.

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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:19 am

Cap space is an asset but only if the names aren’t Eriksson and Sutter ... gotcha. :lol:

Yeah I don’t think I’d be talking much about asset management when my favourite GM trades a potential lottery pick for a player who couldn’t crack the top three lines on a good team.


He might get a late first back for Miller if he traded him.... great. The Lightning won’t be picking late in the first round with that pick.

I could care less what the Flyers do or don’t get back for Hayes if they choose to deal him. They don’t have a bunch of shitty contracts like Vancouver does.

THIS trade wasn’t smart for THIS team not even three years into a rebuild.

Then again some people have no patience for a rebuild.
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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Chef Boi RD » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:13 am

ESQ wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:27 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:38 pm

You want to spin this in a knot, fill your boots. The Flyers spent a 5th on a similar player.

The Flyers get it. Elmer ... and clearly you... don’t.
Blob is now playing checkers with his straw man.

He's so blinded by his hatred, now he's sticking up for the Hayes contract, considered by many outside the 1040 bubble to be the worst in recent memory.

And signed before the final cap number was known like it's amateur hour, yet blob still defends it! :lol:
What’s worst is Blob doesn’t seem to understand that the Jets traded the rights to negotiate with a UFA - Hayes. A player they rented and were never going to resign. “Flyers only had to give up a 5th for Hayes! Jiminy Cricketts!”

And then the contract freak out machine - McKenzie conveniently ignores the massive overpayment the Flyers gave UFA Hayes while we get the 26 year old Miller at a bargain for 4 years

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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Chef Boi RD » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:16 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:19 am
Cap space is an asset but only if the names aren’t Eriksson and Sutter ... gotcha. :lol:

Yeah I don’t think I’d be talking much about asset management when my favourite GM trades a potential lottery pick for a player who couldn’t crack the top three lines on a good team.


He might get a late first back for Miller if he traded him.... great. The Lightning won’t be picking late in the first round with that pick.

I could care less what the Flyers do or don’t get back for Hayes if they choose to deal him. They don’t have a bunch of shitty contracts like Vancouver does.

THIS trade wasn’t smart for THIS team not even three years into a rebuild.

Then again some people have no patience for a rebuild.
These last two years on Sutters contract (15 team no trade list) at $4.325 Million per is not a bad contract, but continue on Blobbee son.
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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by theman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:23 am

My two cents

I have come around on the deal, doesn't mean I love it, but I can live with it. The first is a bit of a steep price to pay and, yes, I would have preferred to see it spend on a quality D man, but I can live with. We don't want to be the new Oilers. I am assuming that Miller gels well with Pettersson or Horvat but I think we have a solid top 6 now. Goaltending is fine, now it is on Benning to fill the gaps in the D. Also, it is important to make sure our young stars, and we have more than a few of them now, do not get that losing culture ingrained into them. This trade was not done in a vacuum and we can't forget that. Personally, I believe Eriksson is done in Vancouver. I have the feeling that Virtannen will be gone too, part of a package to get another D man. Hutton looks like he will not be qualified too, which does surprise me as I would have thought he would be part of the package to bring back another D man. Change is coming. Do I think we will make the playoffs this upcoming season? I am assuming we are not riddled with injuries again. Actually I do, especially if Boeser does not miss any time in the season (preseason and regular). The 2020 pick is lottery protected and if the 2021 pick turns out to be a lottery one and we lose it, well pretty much, we need to do a new rebuild then and a new management group.

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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:24 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:16 am
These last two years on Sutters contract (15 team no trade list) at $4.325 Million per is not a bad contract, but continue on Blobbee son.
His contract like Louie’s has been horrific since the day he signed it. But please carry on ...
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Re: Canucks Contracts

Post by Chef Boi RD » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:29 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:24 am
RoyalDude wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:16 am
These last two years on Sutters contract (15 team no trade list) at $4.325 Million per is not a bad contract, but continue on Blobbee son.
His contract like Louie’s has been horrific since the day he signed it. But please carry on ...
Why debate with Blobbee sox Narrative?
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