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Megaterio Llamas wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:52 am
The Brown Wizard wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:47 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:17 am
The Brown Wizard wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:07 am Training camp starts in 1 week.

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Same here. The WJC has been boring as fuck. I flipped off can-ger after 5 minutes. Cant stand watching them play doormats
Yeah I made it through the first period barely. It was horrible.
You could do what i am doing instead... smoke a giant bowl and watch Jeremy Brett play Sherlock Holmes in the 80s Granada/ ITV series. Fucking awesome show...my favorite ever.

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The Brown Wizard wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:02 pm
Megaterio Llamas wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:52 am
The Brown Wizard wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:47 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:17 am
The Brown Wizard wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:07 am Training camp starts in 1 week.

Holy fork
So need it. Chef is losing it
Same here. The WJC has been boring as fuck. I flipped off can-ger after 5 minutes. Cant stand watching them play doormats
Yeah I made it through the first period barely. It was horrible.
You could do what i am doing instead... smoke a giant bowl and watch Jeremy Brett play Sherlock Holmes in the 80s Granada/ ITV series. Fucking awesome show...my favorite ever.

If u have amazon prime try Britbox for a month free to see it
I don't think I have seen that series actually. My range of viewing keeps getting narrower. I'm down to hockey and the Christmas fireplace channel at the moment. I really like Frame too, it's just still pictures and short video clips of cities and countrysides from around the world. And you can guess the sites online at their website. Exciting. They've replaced it with the fireplace for the season though.
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Megaterio Llamas wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:12 pm
I don't think I have seen that series actually. My range of viewing keeps getting narrower. I'm down to hockey and the Christmas fireplace channel at the moment. I really like Frame too, it's just still pictures and short video clips of cities and countrysides from around the world. And you can guess the sites online at their website. Exciting. They've replaced it with the fireplace for the season though.
Geesus, how much weed are you smoking, Meg?
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ESQ wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:30 pm
Megaterio Llamas wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:12 pm
I don't think I have seen that series actually. My range of viewing keeps getting narrower. I'm down to hockey and the Christmas fireplace channel at the moment. I really like Frame too, it's just still pictures and short video clips of cities and countrysides from around the world. And you can guess the sites online at their website. Exciting. They've replaced it with the fireplace for the season though.
Geesus, how much weed are you smoking, Meg?
:) I've actually been going light lately ESQ. I find it waxes and wanes.
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It appears what the Blues are doing is waiting until the start of the season to sign Hoffman, which would allow them to wait to put Tarasenko and Steen on Long-Term Injury Reserve, allowing them to maximize their LTIR money. This points to Hoffman joining the Blues.

https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status ... 64642?s=20
Hmn. I have lately been pondering the idea that the Canucks might have something like this cooking on the backburner with Hamonic and Ferland/LTIR...
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Megaterio Llamas wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:39 pm
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It appears what the Blues are doing is waiting until the start of the season to sign Hoffman, which would allow them to wait to put Tarasenko and Steen on Long-Term Injury Reserve, allowing them to maximize their LTIR money. This points to Hoffman joining the Blues.

https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status ... 64642?s=20
Hmn. I have lately been pondering the idea that the Canucks might have something like this cooking on the backburner with Hamonic and Ferland/LTIR...
I dunno with no fans in the seats, I honestly think management is gonna use this season to play the young guys (defenders) see if any can stick/light it up. I think Travis would like the added depth for winning purposes, but if this year is a step back year it might pay dividends for the future with a full complement of draft picks and a couple of guys we could sell off. Not to mention possible slower years for petey and Quinn. Of course petey and quinn could absolutely light it up and that changes everything.
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I think they saw what we have last year, and realize we are a better team now than last year.

Management doesn’t listen to the media and is still capable of critical thinking. I think that our owners want to win so bad, there is no internal cap like has been speculated.

They know the following:

Losing Toffoli doesn’t hurt us. We lost some draft picks, but he was never in the lineup when Boesser was, so he was a bonus, not a fixture.
We are going to get better with internal growth of players, but we had a decent top 9 last year, and if Ferland comes back (and is healthy) we are better this year, if he doesn’t we have cap flexibility for potential moves as the season progresses. Looking at our top 9, they can play with any other Canadian team.

Our top 4 defence is better now than last year. Addition of Schmidt, and the second year of Hughes..if they hit the chemistry, arguably the top pairing of defence in our division. Our bottom 4 players on defence (Benn, Joulevi, & whomever else makes the team out of camp) are exactly that: bottom 4. If one of those guys has a breakout year, we can be surprised. But in the end, if your bottom pairing plays better than 3 million dollars combined of players, it’s a win. I would like some depth here, but I want depth that can fill a bottom pairing role in the playoffs. Stetcher wasn’t that guy. I am not sure if we have that guy on the team yet, but mgt have seen the Rathbones and Raffertys play way more than we have, so perhaps we do and don’t know it.

Goaltending is a lateral move. Marky had a career year with us last year. Getting Holtby in (on the correct contract) is a great move on a lot of levels. He is a fucking winner and knows how to get it done. He had an off year last year, but will rebound with a change of scenery and working with Ian Clark. Demko is potentially the guy we have been waiting for, and this is his year to prove it. We have as good a tandem as anyone in our division this year, Behind Montreal.
[edit] - I wouldn’t mind a depth signing for the taxi squad here, just to let DiPetro play in the AHL all season. If we lose Holtby and Demko for any stretch, we are cooked anyway, so just sign a zamboni driver to fill this slot.

As to the ‘shitty contracts’.. I think we only have one, and that’s Loui. Yes, we have a couple that are a year too long, or 500k too much, but when you were at the place we were at 2-3 years ago, the extra year or 500k is the price you pay to attract they players you need to build the culture, identity and character you want for your team. That’s the business. JB shred away from all of Toffoli, Marky, and Taney because of contract length. He decided to let Troy from Richmond walk because Troy is the wrong guy for the #6-7role (and I like Troy! - but facts are facts)

I think we are in a better place right now than most (especially in the media) think, and we will be fine going into the season. As to injuries, every team is gonna have the same problem in our division. No team in Canada has the depth they want, but at least we have a good prospect pool in case the injury bug gets us. This is a level playing field this year.
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Madcombinepilot wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:15 am I think they saw what we have last year, and realize we are a better team now than last year.

Management doesn’t listen to the media and is still capable of critical thinking. I think that our owners want to win so bad, there is no internal cap like has been speculated.

They know the following:

Losing Toffoli doesn’t hurt us. We lost some draft picks, but he was never in the lineup when Boesser was, so he was a bonus, not a fixture.
We are going to get better with internal growth of players, but we had a decent top 9 last year, and if Ferland comes back (and is healthy) we are better this year, if he doesn’t we have cap flexibility for potential moves as the season progresses. Looking at our top 9, they can play with any other Canadian team.

Our top 4 defence is better now than last year. Addition of Schmidt, and the second year of Hughes..if they hit the chemistry, arguably the top pairing of defence in our division. Our bottom 4 players on defence (Benn, Joulevi, & whomever else makes the team out of camp) are exactly that: bottom 4. If one of those guys has a breakout year, we can be surprised. But in the end, if your bottom pairing plays better than 3 million dollars combined of players, it’s a win. I would like some depth here, but I want depth that can fill a bottom pairing role in the playoffs. Stetcher wasn’t that guy. I am not sure if we have that guy on the team yet, but mgt have seen the Rathbones and Raffertys play way more than we have, so perhaps we do and don’t know it.

Goaltending is a lateral move. Marky had a career year with us last year. Getting Holtby in (on the correct contract) is a great move on a lot of levels. He is a fucking winner and knows how to get it done. He had an off year last year, but will rebound with a change of scenery and working with Ian Clark. Demko is potentially the guy we have been waiting for, and this is his year to prove it. We have as good a tandem as anyone in our division this year, Behind Montreal.
[edit] - I wouldn’t mind a depth signing for the taxi squad here, just to let DiPetro play in the AHL all season. If we lose Holtby and Demko for any stretch, we are cooked anyway, so just sign a zamboni driver to fill this slot.

As to the ‘shitty contracts’.. I think we only have one, and that’s Loui. Yes, we have a couple that are a year too long, or 500k too much, but when you were at the place we were at 2-3 years ago, the extra year or 500k is the price you pay to attract they players you need to build the culture, identity and character you want for your team. That’s the business. JB shred away from all of Toffoli, Marky, and Taney because of contract length. He decided to let Troy from Richmond walk because Troy is the wrong guy for the #6-7role (and I like Troy! - but facts are facts)

I think we are in a better place right now than most (especially in the media) think, and we will be fine going into the season. As to injuries, every team is gonna have the same problem in our division. No team in Canada has the depth they want, but at least we have a good prospect pool in case the injury bug gets us. This is a level playing field this year.
Good post MCP.

The depth on defense is most certainly the weakest link now but I am 100% certain the team will add a decent vet before the season cracks off. Hamonic fits the bill certainly and I suspect Jimmy has a gentleman's agreement in place
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Richardstroker69 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:54 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:39 pm
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It appears what the Blues are doing is waiting until the start of the season to sign Hoffman, which would allow them to wait to put Tarasenko and Steen on Long-Term Injury Reserve, allowing them to maximize their LTIR money. This points to Hoffman joining the Blues.

https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status ... 64642?s=20
Hmn. I have lately been pondering the idea that the Canucks might have something like this cooking on the backburner with Hamonic and Ferland/LTIR...
I dunno with no fans in the seats, I honestly think management is gonna use this season to play the young guys (defenders) see if any can stick/light it up. I think Travis would like the added depth for winning purposes, but if this year is a step back year it might pay dividends for the future with a full complement of draft picks and a couple of guys we could sell off. Not to mention possible slower years for petey and Quinn. Of course petey and quinn could absolutely light it up and that changes everything.
With the competitive nature of hockey in general, add to that rival Canadian teams and the extra games against each other, I doubt there's any way to keep the intensity at anything other than full tilt. Al players will be looking to put their best games on display. Can't even begin to imagine some of the pent up emotions and frustrations that will be released. I would think every team will use the extra players available though. Attrition will surely take it's toll if they don't.
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So what current contracts are expiring after this season? I got

Edler - $6,000,000
Sutter - $4,375,000
Pearson - $3,750,000
Baertschi - $3,366,000
Luongo - $3,033,000
Benn - $2,000,000
Spooner - $1,000,000

$24,000,000 total

Do we see anyone in this group coming back? I imagine not with Hughes and Petey’s massive raises happening around the same time these contracts expire. Forwards like Sutter and Pearson will be replaced with younger entry level type players - Pod, MacEwan, Lind, Hoglander etc. Edler, Benn replaced by - Juolevi, Rafferty, Rathbone, Tryamkin etc.
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I can see Edler coming back but on team friendly 2 mil a season type of contract.

Pearson is a maybe but with no significant raise.
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theman wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:55 am I can see Edler coming back but on team friendly 2 mil a season type of contract.

Pearson is a maybe but with no significant raise.
Really can’t see Pearson coming back. With the likes of Podkolzin, Lind and Hoglander coming in. MacEwan seemingly has made the team. Lind looks very close to moving up from the A

Edler I can see, maybe
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Edler would be a good mentor for our young guys, I would bring him back on the right contract.

Pearson has decent chemistry with Horvat, on the right contract and situation, I would consider it but wouldn’t be too fussed if he left.
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Eriksson - $6,000,000
Beagle - $3,000,000
Roussel - $3,000,000

These 3 be done after the 2021-22 season. After that Season JT Miller has 1 year left on his before hitting UFA. If he continues to shine he will be up for a significant raise I imagine. Or we trade him for futures that season. A bit far down the road, gotta hope that Loui the Fuck doesn’t go full term
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theman wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:02 am Edler would be a good mentor for our young guys, I would bring him back on the right contract.

Pearson has decent chemistry with Horvat, on the right contract and situation, I would consider it but wouldn’t be too fussed if he left.
Pearson is getting up there, he will be 29 after this season. He’s already a slow player. The Canucks need to get a lot faster up front in the top 9 IMO
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