Canucks Contracts

[Hockey Widow]

I think he was ill prepared for what it takes to play in and stay in the NHL. He’s said so himself, that the next level, the NHL, was the hardest transition he’s had. And that now he knows what it takes to be ready. I think two off season surgeries in a row really hampered him, I give him that. I think coming off a scary back injury that had him wondering if he’d ever play again, and then having to get over the mental aspect of taking a hit again, hampered him. I give him that.

All I’m saying is I saw a player whose natural gifts were good enough for him to get as far as he did. He didn’t learn the off ice part of it. And I saw a player who thought offensive and left the D to others. But he explain a lot of that. Part of it was the mental part of coming back after the back injury and part of it was figuring out the on ice stuff, positioning, and expectations.

I agree with you, the last 20-25 games he was a much better all round player. His leadership qualities emerged, he was back checking, he was playing harder along the wall and he seemed faster. He has talked about adding all that muscle last year was perhaps the wrong approach and that this summer he has a whole new routine. He also said he wants to work on his skating and overall conditioning.

I was very pleased with how he finished the season. I also don’t think we’ve seen the best of him. I also want a fair contract for him and hope Benning doesn’t let it get contentious. But Benning has no rush. If it takes all summer so be it. I think he gets 7-8 years but only if Benning is willing to go 8-9 per. I’m just not sure he’s there yet.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Brock has a 50+ goal season or 3 in him. He's that good.

No, i sure hope benning doesnt try and play hardball with this kid as hes got elite level talent and drive.

If Pettersson continues to blossom and Brock can reach his potential...thats a championship calibre top line pairing to go with a hopefully 60+ point dman in Hughes

[Meds]

Brock has a 50+ goal season or 3 in him. He's that good.

No, i sure hope benning doesnt try and play hardball with this kid as hes got elite level talent and drive.

If Pettersson continues to blossom and Brock can reach his potential...thats a championship calibre top line pairing to go with a hopefully 60+ point dman in Hughes

Roger that. He’s not worth Draisaitl money yet and so he should be given a bit less. Draisaitl got his big contract because he had a decent year and then an incredible playoff showing. But Leon doesn’t get 100 points without McDavid.

If Brock will sign 8 years then give him $8M.....but that’s it. If he will only sign 6 or 7 then give him $7M. If he wants that extra million he needs to give the extra year.

With the exception of Chicago, no team has won anything paying 2 players franchise level cap hits.....and Chicago only got it done because their all star top pairing defensemen were underpaid and their goaltending was also better than the payroll reflected. Since they’ve had to pay a few guys more they have been less of a factor.

I think Benning realizes this and that’s why he’s reluctant to go big on top players, especially young ones. Unfortunately he loses his negotiating position some what because he has paid 2nd and 3rd line money to 3rd and 4th line players (Eriksson, Beagle, and Sutter, most noticeably).

[Island Nucklehead]

I was very pleased with how he finished the season. I also don’t think we’ve seen the best of him. I also want a fair contract for him and hope Benning doesn’t let it get contentious. But Benning has no rush. If it takes all summer so be it. I think he gets 7-8 years but only if Benning is willing to go 8-9 per. I’m just not sure he’s there yet.

I look at the Tarasenko deal (8 years, $60M) as the absolute high-end for Brock. He had higher totals coming out of his ELC, playoff-proven (10G in 13 GP) and a top-10 scorer. Brock was younger by two years, and had a better goals/game.

Unfortunately for the Canucks, that deal would be worth $8.5M today.

[Mickey107]

I've decided not to get all worried because of one Sportsnet rumor. What they think is far apart
might be one year or even half a million.
JB has no choice to speak very soon now and he will be asked, so......
Makes me laugh to think Benning would play the big tough negotiator tyrant with his crowning achievement
at drafting. FFS, Brock Boeser at 23 overall. AND, it wasn't a fluke in the same way as some Nhl stars have
become what they are from later draft picks. Nope. His talents were there for any GM to see. They just didn't
think a college pretty boy was worth top 20; morons.

There is zero value to the team or it's reputation; anyones reputation, not to get this done without a F**king soap opera.

[ESQ]

I won't be surprised with a 2 year deal at $5.5-6. That gives Brock 2 more chances to hit 40 goals, which I think he would have in his rookie year without the wrist injury or he would have last year without the back and wrist recovery.

But maybe Benning isn't looking short-term, because of the risk of offer sheet (Brock is immune this year) and because of the likely cap increase-rebound once Seattle enters.

But maybe Benning is, but Brock is refusing because of the risk of labour strife!

So many variables that don't get captured in a tweet.

[Mickey107]

This is the Spotac link. I find it better than the Cap Friendly one...:

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/vancouver-canucks/

[Meds]

I was very pleased with how he finished the season. I also don’t think we’ve seen the best of him. I also want a fair contract for him and hope Benning doesn’t let it get contentious. But Benning has no rush. If it takes all summer so be it. I think he gets 7-8 years but only if Benning is willing to go 8-9 per. I’m just not sure he’s there yet.

I look at the Tarasenko deal (8 years, $60M) as the absolute high-end for Brock. He had higher totals coming out of his ELC, playoff-proven (10G in 13 GP) and a top-10 scorer. Brock was younger by two years, and had a better goals/game.

Unfortunately for the Canucks, that deal would be worth $8.5M today.

That is a good comparable actually, and you can't factor playoff scoring into that kind of comparison because it's not Brock's fault that the Canucks are about half as good as St. Louis was when Tarasenko inked his current deal.
Based on what we saw in the last 2 months of the season I think Brock has a more well-rounded game already than Tarasenko does now. Tarasenko isn't a lazy player defensively, but even in these playoffs he hasn't shone in terms of defensive play from what I've seen or heard or read. Brock was starting to stand out towards the end, although if we're all honest some of that could just have been because of the stark contrast it was from the start of the season.

When considering that comparable, if Brock is willing to sign full term, Benning would be smart to give him upwards of $8M x 8 years. Factoring in that based on a salary cap of $83M Tarasenko's deal is actually a shade upwards of $8.7M in value in terms of total cap percentage, so if that's on the table, and Benning is confident that Brock is a guy who won't just take his money and pull a Louie Eriksson, then take $8.5M and run if you get the full term.

[Island Nucklehead]

I was very pleased with how he finished the season. I also don’t think we’ve seen the best of him. I also want a fair contract for him and hope Benning doesn’t let it get contentious. But Benning has no rush. If it takes all summer so be it. I think he gets 7-8 years but only if Benning is willing to go 8-9 per. I’m just not sure he’s there yet.

I look at the Tarasenko deal (8 years, $60M) as the absolute high-end for Brock. He had higher totals coming out of his ELC, playoff-proven (10G in 13 GP) and a top-10 scorer. Brock was younger by two years, and had a better goals/game.

Unfortunately for the Canucks, that deal would be worth $8.5M today.

That is a good comparable actually, and you can't factor playoff scoring into that kind of comparison because it's not Brock's fault that the Canucks are about half as good as St. Louis was when Tarasenko inked his current deal.
Based on what we saw in the last 2 months of the season I think Brock has a more well-rounded game already than Tarasenko does now. Tarasenko isn't a lazy player defensively, but even in these playoffs he hasn't shone in terms of defensive play from what I've seen or heard or read. Brock was starting to stand out towards the end, although if we're all honest some of that could just have been because of the stark contrast it was from the start of the season.

When considering that comparable, if Brock is willing to sign full term, Benning would be smart to give him upwards of $8M x 8 years. Factoring in that based on a salary cap of $83M Tarasenko's deal is actually a shade upwards of $8.7M in value in terms of total cap percentage, so if that's on the table, and Benning is confident that Brock is a guy who won't just take his money and pull a Louie Eriksson, then take $8.5M and run if you get the full term.

I don't hold the lack of playoffs against Brock, but it is something Tarasenko's agent could point to in his negotiation with the Blues, which could have have inflated his value. They're different types of player for sure. Tarasenko is far more dynamic and has 1-on-1 ability Brock lacks, but Brock's shot is one of the best in the league.

We're probably talking a difference of $1-2M per year for those extra couple seasons ($6M bridge vs. $8M long-term). Not likely hills worth dying on if you're either side. It needs to be said that these would be easier deals to sign if the bottom-half of the roster was clogged with overpaid plugs.

[Meds]

Had a bit of fun arm-chair GM'ing on capfriendly today with some downtime at work....

Started by trading Sutter, Gaunce, and 4th to Ottawa for Borowiecki and a 7th. From the Canucks perspective it's a cap dump.

Then I re-signed Edler, Hutton, Schenn, and Boeser, and grabbed Skinner from UFA.

Virtanen - Pettersson - Boeser ($8.5M)
Pearson - Horvat - Skinner ($6.5M)
Roussel - Gaudette - Baertschi
Schaller - Beagle - Eriksson
Spooner

Edler ($6M) - Tanev
Hutton ($3.2M) - Stecher
Hughes - Schenn ($1.2M)
Borowiecki ($1.2M) - Biega

Markstrom
Demko

Total cap hit is $73.65M.

Looking at it from that perspective and it's easy to see that if we could be in play for any of the blueline upgrades that people talk about, Karlsson, Trouba, Myers, Stralman, and even maybe a look at Gardiner, especially true if we were to move out Tanev and/or Eriksson.

[Meds]

A thought.....

With all of us having a laugh at the potential for the Maple Leaves to be forced into a hard decision if someone drops an offer sheet on Marner, are we in any kind of similar predicament where Boeser is concerned?

Or can we tender a qualifying offer to protect him from an offer sheet while the negotiations take place?

[Richardstroker69]

A thought.....

With all of us having a laugh at the potential for the Maple Leaves to be forced into a hard decision if someone drops an offer sheet on Marner, are we in any kind of similar predicament where Boeser is concerned?

Or can we tender a qualifying offer to protect him from an offer sheet while the negotiations take place?

He’s not eligible for an offer sheet yet

[ESQ]

A thought.....

With all of us having a laugh at the potential for the Maple Leaves to be forced into a hard decision if someone drops an offer sheet on Marner, are we in any kind of similar predicament where Boeser is concerned?

Or can we tender a qualifying offer to protect him from an offer sheet while the negotiations take place?

He’s not eligible for an offer sheet yet

If a kid burns a year off his ELC by joining after the college season ends, then the tradeoff is he isn't eligible for an offer sheet after the ELC expires.

It will apply to Q Hughes as well, and I assume it applies to Tryamkin?

[Mickey107]

If a kid burns a year off his ELC by joining after the college season ends, then the tradeoff is he isn't eligible for an offer sheet after the ELC expires.

It will apply to Q Hughes as well, and I assume it applies to Tryamkin?

Thanks, ESQ. Not many know that, anywhere. Including "some" radio personalities.

[Strangelove]

If a kid burns a year off his ELC by joining after the college season ends, then the tradeoff is he isn't eligible for an offer sheet after the ELC expires.

It will apply to Q Hughes as well, and I assume it applies to Tryamkin?

Thanks, ESQ. Not many know that, anywhere. Including "some" radio personalities.

I know, a while ago I ranted a bit about the talking heads being oblivious to dat dere.

Hughes and Gaudette will be in the same position as Boeser when their contracts are up.

Less negotiating power for the players and no worries of offer sheets.

Genie-ass!