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If they can sign him for 8, do it now before he's a perennial 40 goal scorer.

I suppose it's possible his agent is pushing for 40-goal money, but this is the one time in the next several years that Benning will have some leverage to get that AAV down.

I wouldn't want to bargain away years in duration to save $1-2 mil on the cap.
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Ben Hankinson, Brock Boeser's agent; May as well find out about the guy, huh?

Here's two links; From the same area #1
Looking to make young BB is crown achievement ? #2
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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdis ... p?pid=2130
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https://puckpedia.com/agent/ben-hankinson
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ESQ wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 8:45 am If they can sign him for 8, do it now before he's a perennial 40 goal scorer.

I suppose it's possible his agent is pushing for 40-goal money, but this is the one time in the next several years that Benning will have some leverage to get that AAV down.

I wouldn't want to bargain away years in duration to save $1-2 mil on the cap.
Best push by his agent, but he could be sniping in goals via Petey for the next while, he's like Adam Oates mixed with Datsyuk.
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Remember Brock was doing just fine in his rookie year, and likely would have won the Calder without his injury - imagine the Canucks with TWO Calders in a row?

He's a natural sniper and the best we had seen since Bure - and is right up there with Elias. Of course, EP has the complete game and makes others better - but Brock is still a star without him.
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Cornuck wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 11:05 am Remember Brock was doing just fine in his rookie year, and likely would have won the Calder without his injury - imagine the Canucks with TWO Calders in a row?

He's a natural sniper and the best we had seen since Bure - and is right up there with Elias. Of course, EP has the complete game and makes others better - but Brock is still a star without him.
Absolutely right. That back injury was bad and we and he are very lucky Brock and his trainers dealt with it and did not rush anything.
Looked like he had a slow first half last year but IMO, it was still in a recovery, strengthening mode.
I've seen many come and go but really think Brock has the skill, drive and head-smarts to be one of the best.
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Just pay Boeser 7 mill for 8 years and be done with it. I would even go as high as 7.5 actually. The bridge contracts seem to be disappearing in the NHL BTW.
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I’d be curious to know the numbers, but I think they need to take a harder line with Brock, because the negotiations won’t get any easier in the years to come. He’s not arbitration-eligible, so now is the time to play hard ball.
I say just lock him up for 8x8 and be done with it. It’ll be like Draisaitl’s contract where initially it’ll be high but a bargain in a couple of years.
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Cornuck wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 11:05 am Remember Brock was doing just fine in his rookie year, and likely would have won the Calder without his injury - imagine the Canucks with TWO Calders in a row?

He's a natural sniper and the best we had seen since Bure - and is right up there with Elias. Of course, EP has the complete game and makes others better - but Brock is still a star without him.
I think Brock's wrist still isn't 100%, which makes his 26 goals in 69 games even more impressive.

But its tricky - what do you pay a star winger who hasn't cracked 30 goals yet?
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theman wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 11:55 am Just pay Boeser 7 mill for 8 years and be done with it. I would even go as high as 7.5 actually. The bridge contracts seem to be disappearing in the NHL BTW.
True, the bridge contracts seem to be disappearing for young top players

... but so too do 8 year contracts.

I think Boeser's contract ends up being $7M - $7.5M x 6 years.
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Strangelove wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 12:25 pm
theman wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 11:55 am Just pay Boeser 7 mill for 8 years and be done with it. I would even go as high as 7.5 actually. The bridge contracts seem to be disappearing in the NHL BTW.
True, the bridge contracts seem to be disappearing for young top players

... but so too do 8 year contracts.

I think Boeser's contract ends up being $7M - $7.5M x 6 years.
If we buy up UFA years, I would go to $8 x 8. I wouldn't want this to drag on too long into the summer if I were the Canucks.
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theman wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 12:27 pm
Strangelove wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 12:25 pm
theman wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 11:55 am Just pay Boeser 7 mill for 8 years and be done with it. I would even go as high as 7.5 actually. The bridge contracts seem to be disappearing in the NHL BTW.
True, the bridge contracts seem to be disappearing for young top players

... but so too do 8 year contracts.

I think Boeser's contract ends up being $7M - $7.5M x 6 years.
If we buy up UFA years, I would go to $8 x 8.
I would too, but I doubt Boeser's camp wants to go any more than 6 years.
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Strangelove wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 12:50 pm
theman wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 12:27 pm
Strangelove wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 12:25 pm
theman wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 11:55 am Just pay Boeser 7 mill for 8 years and be done with it. I would even go as high as 7.5 actually. The bridge contracts seem to be disappearing in the NHL BTW.
True, the bridge contracts seem to be disappearing for young top players

... but so too do 8 year contracts.

I think Boeser's contract ends up being $7M - $7.5M x 6 years.
If we buy up UFA years, I would go to $8 x 8.
I would too, but I doubt Boeser's camp wants to go any more than 6 years.
Yeah the temptation of a big ufa payday is tough to deny. If however they give him a huge front loaded heavy bonus laden 8x8 deal, I could see them being tempted by it. 30-40 million in in the first 3 years of the contract would be hard to say no to. Plus aqua has the money to do those types of deals.
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Benning likes his bridge deals. He also likes his show me contracts. He doesn’t like deals that go past 6 years. Doesn’t mean he won’t do them, just that he likes 6 years or less.

With Boeser I could see Benning trying a 2-3 year show me deal. It won’t fly. I could see him pushing a 5-6 year deal. Then I see him capitulating on an 8 year deal. Benning doesn’t like giving the kids the big bucks.

Boeser has only been around two seasons. He has some big warts in his game to keep working on. He’s still learning out there and yes he is coming off two seasons where injuries have played a part. The kid oozes offensive potential, I don’t think we’ve seen the best of him. But just from comments Benning has made throughout the year my sense is that he’d like to see more from Brock. I think it would pain Benning to go 8x8 at this point.

Benning is old school. Earn your big contract. Earn your way onto the team. Do your time. Whatever the situation he wants the kids to earn it. There have been exceptions, Boeser, Pettersson and now Hughes.

Early indications are that the Canucks opening offer is miles away from where Brock wants to be. He took all summer with Bo. Unless Boeser is more aligned with Benning’s thinking I could see this go all summer. He has all the leverage. Personally I think a Bo type deal is appropriate for Boeser right now. Yes, I hope, he will end up a 100 point guy that deserves and demands big bucks on his next deal.
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Boeser isn’t signing a six year deal for 5.5 annually. He’s accomplished more than Horvat did to the points when their ELC’s expired, not to mention the cap has increased 8 - 10 %. A bridge is dangerous because if he lights it up he’s going to want mega bucks. I envision Brock as a 35 goal 70 point guy. Maybe he touches 40 goals once or twice and 80 points. He looked a lot better in the last 1/3 of the season when he seemed to be healthier and skating better.

For all the deserved flack Elmer gets for his UFA signings, his RFA work hasn’t been too bad.

Six to seven years 7.2 - 7.8 million.
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No offense to Horvat at all. He is Captain material in his leadership qualities and is a damn good hockey player.
Even better if he gets at least one line mate that's on a par with himself. Take away Boeser and Pettersson and that does not exist
on this team as it sits.

Brock Boeser is a more talented player than Horvat. He is a more talented player than Nylander.
His skating and endurance will keep improving as the back injury and all the side effects that accompany an injury
of that magnitude diminish. The wrist, IMO, gets too much press as being something to worry about.
It's already been said, it's not long term and I believe that as I have had temporary problems to my shooting wrist a few times.

Brock has leadership qualities too. Very much he does. He is always helping and supporting his team mates.
The cameras clearly have shown that, plenty.

In the second half of this past season, his defensive game was improving by leaps and bounds.
He on many occasions was the fist forward back.

I could go on and on about Brock Boeser.

If Benning thinks a bridge, (show me) deal is going to happen, I simply laugh my fucking ass off.
This isn't Ben Hutton or Marcus Granlund we're are talking about.

If Benning uses old school methods with Brock Boeser, Brock Boeser will be gone, (one way or another), and so will Jim Benning.
In this case, acceptable contract for this player are;
7/7.5/8- for 7 or 8 yrs. If it to be only 6 years-at least 8
Again a 2 year deal will be an unmitigated disaster long term and black-mark this franchise.

I am so old, (not really), that I still remember that late 70s phrase; Don't take a chance, keep it in your pan**.
This isn't one of those times !!!!!!!!!!!

Wids: I still don't believe Brock was a lazy coot in the off-season. :) :)
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