Yeah, I definitely wouldn't go more than 3 or 4 years with Brock right now, at least not at big money. He needs to show that he can play at least 70 games a year.SKYO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:23 pm In regards to Boeser, I'm re-analyzing the process, I'm thinking maybe a 3 year bridge contract at $5M per, a bit more than the Kucherov 3 year bridge.
The thinking is calculating contracts to all fall in line with the big five.
Elias Pettersson: RFA 2021 (Budget at least $10M - $12M per x 8)
Bo Horvat: locked up for 4 more years, 2023.
Brock Boeser: Re-sign 3 year bridge RFA 2022 (Then can give 8 yr contract)
Quinn Hughes: likely signs this season, taking a year off 3 yr ELC, RFA 2021, I'd plan to bridge Q in 2021.
Jake Virtanen: RFA 2020
Getting Boeser in a 3 year bridge, it makes it so the Canucks can each year re-negotiate new contracts to these guys consecutively.
Also gotta remain cognizant of Juolevi, Dahlen, Gaudette, Demko and whoever we draft in 2019.
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Ya, and you know what? I was one of those throw 8 for 8 or 7 for 8 dudes, mid summer. None the less, a bridge deal sounds right.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:20 pmYeah, I definitely wouldn't go more than 3 or 4 years with Brock right now, at least not at big money. He needs to show that he can play at least 70 games a year.SKYO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:23 pm In regards to Boeser, I'm re-analyzing the process, I'm thinking maybe a 3 year bridge contract at $5M per, a bit more than the Kucherov 3 year bridge.
The thinking is calculating contracts to all fall in line with the big five.
Elias Pettersson: RFA 2021 (Budget at least $10M - $12M per x 8)
Bo Horvat: locked up for 4 more years, 2023.
Brock Boeser: Re-sign 3 year bridge RFA 2022 (Then can give 8 yr contract)
Quinn Hughes: likely signs this season, taking a year off 3 yr ELC, RFA 2021, I'd plan to bridge Q in 2021.
Jake Virtanen: RFA 2020
Getting Boeser in a 3 year bridge, it makes it so the Canucks can each year re-negotiate new contracts to these guys consecutively.
Also gotta remain cognizant of Juolevi, Dahlen, Gaudette, Demko and whoever we draft in 2019.
Not just for team, but player too.
Thing is, that has the potential to be really big money for two guys in or around the same time.
So; Gamble away and keep the cap rocketing skyward.
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I completely disagree.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:20 pmYeah, I definitely wouldn't go more than 3 or 4 years with Brock right now, at least not at big money. He needs to show that he can play at least 70 games a year.SKYO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:23 pm In regards to Boeser, I'm re-analyzing the process, I'm thinking maybe a 3 year bridge contract at $5M per, a bit more than the Kucherov 3 year bridge.
The thinking is calculating contracts to all fall in line with the big five.
Elias Pettersson: RFA 2021 (Budget at least $10M - $12M per x 8)
Bo Horvat: locked up for 4 more years, 2023.
Brock Boeser: Re-sign 3 year bridge RFA 2022 (Then can give 8 yr contract)
Quinn Hughes: likely signs this season, taking a year off 3 yr ELC, RFA 2021, I'd plan to bridge Q in 2021.
Jake Virtanen: RFA 2020
Getting Boeser in a 3 year bridge, it makes it so the Canucks can each year re-negotiate new contracts to these guys consecutively.
Also gotta remain cognizant of Juolevi, Dahlen, Gaudette, Demko and whoever we draft in 2019.
Because of those injuries Brock can be locked up long term for less dollars... so do it!
We might get him for as little as $6.5M - $7M on a 6 - 8 year term.
Do it Jimbro!
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Bang on. Weaponize the leverage of the delay in devopment from the injury.Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:12 pmI completely disagree.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:20 pmYeah, I definitely wouldn't go more than 3 or 4 years with Brock right now, at least not at big money. He needs to show that he can play at least 70 games a year.SKYO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:23 pm In regards to Boeser, I'm re-analyzing the process, I'm thinking maybe a 3 year bridge contract at $5M per, a bit more than the Kucherov 3 year bridge.
The thinking is calculating contracts to all fall in line with the big five.
Elias Pettersson: RFA 2021 (Budget at least $10M - $12M per x 8)
Bo Horvat: locked up for 4 more years, 2023.
Brock Boeser: Re-sign 3 year bridge RFA 2022 (Then can give 8 yr contract)
Quinn Hughes: likely signs this season, taking a year off 3 yr ELC, RFA 2021, I'd plan to bridge Q in 2021.
Jake Virtanen: RFA 2020
Getting Boeser in a 3 year bridge, it makes it so the Canucks can each year re-negotiate new contracts to these guys consecutively.
Also gotta remain cognizant of Juolevi, Dahlen, Gaudette, Demko and whoever we draft in 2019.
Because of those injuries Brock can be locked up long term for less dollars... so do it!
We might get him for as little as $6.5M - $7M on a 6 - 8 year term.
Do it Jimbro!
Now that would begin to enter into genius territory
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Horvat and notably Boeser not producing points while Petey is injured is good ammo for management and not so good ammo for Boeser's agent.
Noticing Brock not making smart plays sometimes, not the best defensively, he lost his power skating a bit & his scoring ability is down without Petey - which will all be superb for Canucks management for BB's next contract, I'd simply go 7 years x $6M Ehlers contract now.
Noticing Brock not making smart plays sometimes, not the best defensively, he lost his power skating a bit & his scoring ability is down without Petey - which will all be superb for Canucks management for BB's next contract, I'd simply go 7 years x $6M Ehlers contract now.
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I still can't believe that Blobbee's boi the 5'-11" 170 lb - Nicolaj "Mason Raymond" Ehlers gets that much money!! I guess that's what happens when you ride shotgun with Patrick Laine.SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:45 pm Horvat and notably Boeser not producing points while Petey is injured is good ammo for management and not so good ammo for Boeser's agent.
Noticing Brock not making smart plays sometimes, not the best defensively, he lost his power skating a bit & his scoring ability is down without Petey - which will all be superb for Canucks management for BB's next contract, I'd simply go 7 years x $6M Ehlers contract now.
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Boeser should get Pastrnak's contract or a smidgen less.
Both same age, but Pastrnak has been much more prolific after his rookie season.
avg .93ppg, .98ppg and 1.18 pts per game each successive season.
He got a 6 year $40M contract.
While Boeser has avg .89ppg first full season and this season is a little less at .81ppg.
So I see a 6 year $39M contract extension for Boeser. $6.5m AAV
Both same age, but Pastrnak has been much more prolific after his rookie season.
avg .93ppg, .98ppg and 1.18 pts per game each successive season.
He got a 6 year $40M contract.
While Boeser has avg .89ppg first full season and this season is a little less at .81ppg.
So I see a 6 year $39M contract extension for Boeser. $6.5m AAV
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Hmm good calculations there IN, $7M per is a tad high but acceptable I suppose, make it 7 years then.
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I think are playoff chances have pretty much reached their expiry date, the seasons almost concluded, time to start
thinking about a contract for Boeser.
IMHO, Brock does not merit the "big one", just yet but at the same time we cannot allow a situation where as he is not
at 2019 training camp and is still waiting at season's start. Glaring example of how that turns out back east somewhere, no?
It's my gut feeling he would not be adverse to a 1 or 2 year bridge deal. I would prefer to get the full 7 or 8 year done
but is he for sure an 8 for 8 player?
7 for 7 ?
Would he take 6.5 for eight ? I doubt that. Horvat is 5.5 for 6 though, not that it's a measuring stick.
He either is or is close to, my favorite player on the team and here I am playing hard-ball, go figure.
thinking about a contract for Boeser.
IMHO, Brock does not merit the "big one", just yet but at the same time we cannot allow a situation where as he is not
at 2019 training camp and is still waiting at season's start. Glaring example of how that turns out back east somewhere, no?
It's my gut feeling he would not be adverse to a 1 or 2 year bridge deal. I would prefer to get the full 7 or 8 year done
but is he for sure an 8 for 8 player?
7 for 7 ?
Would he take 6.5 for eight ? I doubt that. Horvat is 5.5 for 6 though, not that it's a measuring stick.
He either is or is close to, my favorite player on the team and here I am playing hard-ball, go figure.
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IMO, I doubt Brock goes as low as $7 mil on a 7 or 8 year deal. If he did, Benning will buy that 8th year of prime age, no way does he sign for 7.micky107 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:58 pm I think are playoff chances have pretty much reached their expiry date, the seasons almost concluded, time to start
thinking about a contract for Boeser.
IMHO, Brock does not merit the "big one", just yet but at the same time we cannot allow a situation where as he is not
at 2019 training camp and is still waiting at season's start. Glaring example of how that turns out back east somewhere, no?
It's my gut feeling he would not be adverse to a 1 or 2 year bridge deal. I would prefer to get the full 7 or 8 year done
but is he for sure an 8 for 8 player?
7 for 7 ?
Would he take 6.5 for eight ? I doubt that. Horvat is 5.5 for 6 though, not that it's a measuring stick.
He either is or is close to, my favorite player on the team and here I am playing hard-ball, go figure.
Brock has had a near-miraculous recovery from the back injury, but you can't forget that is a year-long recovery period. He's likely to gamble on himself and his continued rehab by signing a bridge deal, and going for the home run.
Right now he's a 25-30 goal winger. He has had remarkable consistency for the past 2 years, for a scoring winger on a lousy offensive team. If he goes the bridge deal, I am very confident he will be hitting 40-50 goals over the next 3 years, which will take him to $9mil+ territory on the subsequent deal.
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hf/Brayden Point contract thread - this poster made some good points on the bridge vs long term deals right after the ELC.
So instead of 7 or 8 years at $7M ish per, he could take $4.5/$5M per x 2 or 3 yrs, then cash in for the big AAV like around $8.5M-$9M per if he holds up to around 30+ goals per season.
Bridging Boeser could very well happen as Boeser thinks he could make more money if he proves his worth over another 2 or 3 years.Kucherov bridged because like Point he was a RFA without arbitration rights.
Steve Yzerman would not give him more. I'm not saying that players like point want to bridge.
I am saying that teams hold all the power on a player coming off an ELC and I think more should be bridged.
I am also saying that in the long run guys like Kucherov and Subban got more money because of the bridge.
Marner will be difficult to bridge as Dubas has already painted himself into a corner with Nylander and Mathews contracts.
Aho is interesting, team is nowhere near the cap so threat of offer sheet won't have much impact. Team probably prefers getting him locked up LT, player would probably prefer something shorter that gets him to big UFA money quicker. Aho is only 21, 8 year term takes him to 29 if he signs a mathews type he can hit UFA at 27.
The team makes a difference too, for years Edm was giving out LT right out of ELC because they were scared these guys would bolt 1st chance they got. Then they traded them away for peanuts.
Ultimately the teams are in control with players coming of ELC but it seems many GMs have forgotton that.
My point (no pun intended) is that I don't think Julien brisebois and Yzerman have forgotton it. Not saying they will bridge Point but it is an option- may depend on of they win cup or not.
So instead of 7 or 8 years at $7M ish per, he could take $4.5/$5M per x 2 or 3 yrs, then cash in for the big AAV like around $8.5M-$9M per if he holds up to around 30+ goals per season.
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Sign Boeser for at minimum 6 years!
This is an opportunity to get a great deal (no arb rights, no offer-sheets, came off a huge injury this year).
Everyone knows Pastrnak signed for far less than his worth... best contract in the NHL?
Everyone here was thinking he would get $8 Xs 8 last summer... before the rates skyrocketed.
If you can get him for $7.5M Xs 6 years because of the bracketed reasons above, then by gum do it!
A few years from now we'll be signing other big stars to contracts... 6 years takes us well beyond that.
Sign Boeser for at minimum 6 years!
This is an opportunity to get a great deal (no arb rights, no offer-sheets, came off a huge injury this year).
Everyone knows Pastrnak signed for far less than his worth... best contract in the NHL?
Everyone here was thinking he would get $8 Xs 8 last summer... before the rates skyrocketed.
If you can get him for $7.5M Xs 6 years because of the bracketed reasons above, then by gum do it!
A few years from now we'll be signing other big stars to contracts... 6 years takes us well beyond that.
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Definitely ink Boeser as long as possible. Hes not going to post lower numbers than this year when hes healthy from the get go...
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