The Rebuild...

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Reefer2 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:22 am

CP, I agree, I do think the management team needs to be more aggressive in moving players at the right time. Not going to rehash the NTC or other clauses, players have been moved in the past and will be moved again in the future.

I believe Gagner will be picked up, still can get 30+ points on the Canucks so on another less goal starved team he would do better.

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by SKYO » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:29 pm

Or the team could be all fuck the injuries*-bring em on! we get depth for days. (*Canucks led the league the past 3 years or is near the top in man-games lost due to injury), might be best to have 2 or 3 centers on wing, so if one of the key cogs Horvat or Sutter go down, we'd have some capable fill-ins. Schaller and Pettersson can play center for instance.

baertschi horvat boeser
eriksson sutter pettersson
goldy gagner virtanen
roussel beagle schaller
leipsic gaunce granlund
dahlen gaudette archibald
gadjovich macewen lind
palmu carcone boucher
jasek motte kero

edler stecher
mdz tanev
hutton gudbranson
pouliot biega
juolevi sautner
brisebois chatfield

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And if the mighty Quinn signs, our defense on the left will have way too many one-way contracts, gotta trade, team has 3 months about to make some moves before the start of the 2018/19 season begins.
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Ronning's Ghost » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:37 am

A view from the outside:

youtube.com/watch?v=coJ6HFj_iic

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Cherry Picker » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:43 am

Ronning's Ghost wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:37 am
A view from the outside:

youtube.com/watch?v=coJ6HFj_iic

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Like that THG has Pettersson in the middle right off the bat. THG’s line-up has a few issues. Roussel and Juolevi are on the wrong sides. His left side of Baertschi, Eriksson, Gagner, Schaller should probably be Baertschi, Eriksson, Roussel, Schaller. But either way, it is still the weakest area of the team. It will be interesting to see how close Dahlen or Gadjovick are to stealing a job on the LW. If players like Gaunce, Archibald, Leipsic, Goldobin are going to make any noise, they’ll likely have to win a job on the LW, too. Should be an interesting position to watch during the pre-season.
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by SKYO » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:41 pm

In the perfect world Pettersson would start on the 3rd line center spot, just like other high end center prospects like Nolan Patrick for example.

Flyers October lineup: Patrick and his winger Konecny started on the 3rd line.

28 Claude Giroux | 14 Sean Couturier | 93 Jakub Voracek
40 Jordan Weal/Lehterä | 51 Valtteri Filppula | 17 Wayne Simmonds
22 Dale Weise | 19 Nolan Patrick | 11 Travis Konecny
20 Taylor Leier | 21 Scott Laughton | 12 Michael Raffl

And then by April, playoffs, Patrick and Konecny got to 2nd line status.

28 Claude Giroux - 51 Valtteri Filppula - 93 Jakub Voracek
12 Michael Raffl - 19 Nolan Patrick - 11 Travis Konecny
21 Scott Laughton - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds
24 Matt Read - 15 Jori Lehtera - 22 Dale Weise

I'd prefer our version of Patrick-Konecny to be Dahlen-Pettersson, start em on the 3rd line with a tough winger like maybe Schaller to be the defensive guy, and let those two score.
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Richardstroker69 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:07 pm

Who here thinks it’s a good thing we actually have enough decent young players that it’s possible we may lose some for nothing on waivers? I’m loving it.

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Strangelove » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Richardstroker69 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:07 pm
Who here thinks it’s a good thing we actually have enough decent young players that it’s possible we may lose some for nothing on waivers? I’m loving it.
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Cherry Picker » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:39 am

So next summer all the current left-sided defensemen need new contracts: Edler (UFA), Del Zotto (UFA), Hutton (RFA) and Pouliot (RFA). While the right side of the defense is very shallow as far as prospects are concerned, the left side of the defense is the deepest area for Canuck prospects. By next summer they could possibly have any of Hughes, Juolevi, Sautner, Brisebois, McEneney, Brassard, Tryamkin, Rathbone, and Utunen signed and available.

So the question is, should the Canucks resign any of the current defensemen? If so who? I’m kind of thinking not re-signing anyone might be best way to create room for the up and coming players who have more potential. I could imagine Edler being asked to resign, but only for a short-term contract. But I doubt he’d want to resign for anything less than 4 years. The others may not have much upside and could forseeably be moved out.

So the next question is, if they do not plan to resign any of the current four defensemen can they afford to waive Sautner, who needs to clear waivers, this year? Sautner played adequately down the stretch as a 6th Dman. Though it is unlikely, it is possible he might be taken by another team if he is waived. Also shouldn’t the team be trying to get more young guys experience at the NHL level before all the veterans are gone. Shouldn’t the Canucks get at least one or two defenseman a full years experience while they are surrounded by vets if they are turning over the left-side of the defense in the next twelve months?
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:58 am

Richardstroker69 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:07 pm
Who here thinks it’s a good thing we actually have enough decent young players that it’s possible we may lose some for nothing on waivers? I’m loving it.
I don’t see any decent young players being lost on waivers
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by ESQ » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:25 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:58 am
Richardstroker69 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:07 pm
Who here thinks it’s a good thing we actually have enough decent young players that it’s possible we may lose some for nothing on waivers? I’m loving it.
I don’t see any decent young players being lost on waivers
I would take a Frankie Corrado as the high-point of players lost on waivers. Not good enough for the Canucks, not good enough for the Leaves, but juuuust enough potential that the Leaves didn't want to expose him again.

Hutton and Stecher's contracts probably keep them from being claimed. Biega's contract probably guarantees he gets claimed.

Leipsic and Goldy are young enough and have shown enough potential that they likely get claimed. Jake would definitely be claimed. Boeser obviously. When Tryamkin returns, he obviously would be claimed.

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Madcombinepilot » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:34 am

Biega's contract probably guarantees he gets claimed.
I disagree. What team grabs a #8 defenceman that they will 100% guarantee to pay close to a million a year to play in the AHL? its a 1 way contract. every team has a guy (or 2) in this position that nobody else will claim. I think Biega's contract ensures he clears waivers.

Only reason Biega would ever get picked up is because some other team thinks that at 875k (or whatever he makes) is a good deal.. its not a 'good deal'. its what a #8 defenceman gets paid in the NHL. this makes it an average deal that every other team already has, or can sign anywhere.

I guess if another team feels Biega is a #5 or 6 Dman, then he would get picked up..
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by micky107 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:46 am

Cherry Picker wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:39 am
So next summer all the current left-sided defensemen need new contracts: Edler (UFA), Del Zotto (UFA), Hutton (RFA) and Pouliot (RFA). While the right side of the defense is very shallow as far as prospects are concerned, the left side of the defense is the deepest area for Canuck prospects. By next summer they could possibly have any of Hughes, Juolevi, Sautner, Brisebois, McEneney, Brassard, Tryamkin, Rathbone, and Utunen signed and available.

So the question is, should the Canucks resign any of the current defensemen? If so who? I’m kind of thinking not re-signing anyone might be best way to create room for the up and coming players who have more potential. I could imagine Edler being asked to resign, but only for a short-term contract. But I doubt he’d want to resign for anything less than 4 years. The others may not have much upside and could forseeably be moved out.

So the next question is, if they do not plan to resign any of the current four defensemen can they afford to waive Sautner, who needs to clear waivers, this year? Sautner played adequately down the stretch as a 6th Dman. Though it is unlikely, it is possible he might be taken by another team if he is waived. Also shouldn’t the team be trying to get more young guys experience at the NHL level before all the veterans are gone. Shouldn’t the Canucks get at least one or two defenseman a full years experience while they are surrounded by vets if they are turning over the left-side of the defense in the next twelve months?
Information has been sketchy at best in regards to the progress of Juolevi. A young man who, with the temporary departure of Hughes, will
have all eyes on him in camp. All of a sudden, it's a big deal!
He absolutely must know that now.
If we see anything less than an all out, give it shit, effort to make the club, it will be a disappointment, no?
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Post by Island Nucklehead » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:00 am

Madcombinepilot wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:34 am
Biega's contract probably guarantees he gets claimed.
I disagree. What team grabs a #8 defenceman that they will 100% guarantee to pay close to a million a year to play in the AHL? its a 1 way contract. every team has a guy (or 2) in this position that nobody else will claim. I think Biega's contract ensures he clears waivers.

Only reason Biega would ever get picked up is because some other team thinks that at 875k (or whatever he makes) is a good deal.. its not a 'good deal'. its what a #8 defenceman gets paid in the NHL. this makes it an average deal that every other team already has, or can sign anywhere.

I guess if another team feels Biega is a #5 or 6 Dman, then he would get picked up..
Exactly. Additionally, come training camp EVERYONE is putting their marginal depth players on waivers in order to demote them.

If Biega is claimed, you're almost certain to find a capable replacement elsewhere on the waiver wire.

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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Uncle dans leg » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:08 am

micky107 wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:46 am

Information has been sketchy at best in regards to the progress of Juolevi. A young man who, with the temporary departure of Hughes, will
have all eyes on him in camp. All of a sudden, it's a big deal!
He absolutely must know that now.
If we see anything less than an all out, give it shit, effort to make the club, it will be a disappointment, no?
He hasn't really shown the potential of his draft year since he was chosen at 5 or whatever. I think this has been suprising considering how well he was projected leading up to being picked that high.

I'm thinking he might be dealing with the dreaded confidence problem...find a way to cure it and you have yourself a steady eddy 2nd pair guy who can move the puck
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Re: The Rebuild...

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:09 pm

ESQ wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:25 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:58 am
Richardstroker69 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:07 pm
Who here thinks it’s a good thing we actually have enough decent young players that it’s possible we may lose some for nothing on waivers? I’m loving it.
I don’t see any decent young players being lost on waivers
I would take a Frankie Corrado as the high-point of players lost on waivers. Not good enough for the Canucks, not good enough for the Leaves, but juuuust enough potential that the Leaves didn't want to expose him again.

Hutton and Stecher's contracts probably keep them from being claimed. Biega's contract probably guarantees he gets claimed.

Leipsic and Goldy are young enough and have shown enough potential that they likely get claimed. Jake would definitely be claimed. Boeser obviously. When Tryamkin returns, he obviously would be claimed.
Obviously they aren’t exposing Boeser or Virtanen. Tryamkin if he ever comes back would not be waived.

Guys like Leipsic and Goldobin are available every year in waivers and I can’t see both of them hitting the waiver wire.
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