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micky107 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:00 pm
I'm thinking, (more hoping), Gagner will be moved.
MDZ may be on borrowed time too, but only if Hughes sticks and plays, (big maybe).
Can't see a spot for old man Hutton either.
For Hutton to stay, he will have to "A Super Hero" in preseason.
Im in agreement with ya ole man - ( said the 55 year old man to the 60+ man ). It really looks like there's a bit of a log-jam of bodies. Ya have to think that something has to give. My perception is that JB seems to have a heck of a time when it comes to the trading game, and who would want to pick up Gags and his contract? JB would have to probably agree to eat half of it. An Hutton? Maybe he gets a 4th or 5th?
Ya, might be worth eating a bit, maybe work out some way to get a later pick as well.
Hutton mystifies me. What went wrong?
Can't blame it totally on Green, though I didn't like the way he was handled, but his last year under WD sucked too.
If it's an attitude problem, that's a way log attitude. Too bad, damn it.
SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:38 pm
Sam Gagner is the most expendable, he has no NTC and only two years left on deal, he's a creative right shot center who has shown to be a 40 pt guy all his pro career. But alas if the team is looking to contend in a few years, the time is ripe to bring in and develop Adam Gaudette as a center right now, he can be used in all-game situations, he's a lightning rod of intelligence on the ice and has scoring potential, his energy and work ethic will be a key cog in the revitalization of this fully operational and rebuilt team.
Gaudette has the intangibles Travis Green likes to execute in his systems, Gaud will be a natural #3C for now, slot him with the hitman Virtanen and you got yourself a solid all-round line to help the team win asap.
I think it would be fantastic if it played out like you're suggesting. However, JB just brought in two centers at a cost. How do they reconcile this with giving up the #3 center spot to Gaudette? Not sure what 'genious' Jim was thinking here? But you know something, injuries WILL happen, and maybe like Boeser, Gaudette will 'seize the day' and then there's no going back. well ya never know, ya know.
Based on what Jim is saying he wants a veteran centre playing with EP to help him on d side of puck. Whoever plays with EP should have an uptick in points, if its Sutter mission accomplished to unload him at trade deadline for a pick.
I’m all for slow cooking our prospects this year to ensure a high pick and not burning ELC on a nothing year. PEAKING with cap space has to be part of the strategy in next 5 years.
I hope Dahlin stays in Utica with Lind, Palmu, Gadj, only guys I want up are Juolevi and Gaudette and obv. EP. Hughes should go back and obtain our second Hobey Trophy.
I think Gaudette’s defense keeps him on the team this year. Defensively the centre ice position is very solid. If everything works out Gaudette could be the third line centre for many years.
Centre depth this year.
Horvat
Sutter
Gaudette
Beagle
Centre depth in a year or two:
Pettersson
Horvat
Gaudette
Beagle
Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:52 am
so, a couple of us were chatting in the office about Karlson, and how Ottawa wanted to get rid of Ryan's contract at the same time. In all honesty, we don't want Ryan right now ( no roster space), so 2 questions:
Can a team trade salary? (Could Ottawa trade us Karlson and 3 million of Ryan's Salary?)
Or, would the league approve a Karlson and Ryan trade for say (example) Tanev, Hutton and Gagne, then we trade Ryan back to Ottawa for like a 3rd and retain some of Ryan's salary?
I am pretty sure you can't add salary to a trade (example 1), but would the second option be approved by the league, or considered some kind of circumvention?
Salary (or portions of salary) cannot be traded.
Example 2 is also illegal:
(C) Under no circumstances may a Club:
(4) Reacquire as part of a Retained Salary Transaction the SPC of a Player who was on that Club's Reserve List within the past calendar year;
Illustration: If Club A Trades the SPC of a Player to Club B (the "Initial Trade"), Club B cannot subsequently Trade an SPC of such Player back to Club A within one (1) calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade and retain a portion of the Averaged Amount of that SPC pursuant to a Retained Salary Transaction. However, Club B may Trade an SPC of the Player back to Club A within one (1) calendar year from the date of the Initial Trade if Club B does not retain any portion of such Player's SPC.
Back to the drawing board with you and your coworkers!
Thanks Doc.
We need more Beileys in the coffee tomorrow to make us smarter!!!
The 'Chain of Command' is the chain I am going to beat you with until you understand I am in charge.
The following is just my opinion, and I’ll be interested in your disagreements. I think if the Canucks management were a bit more ruthless, like Burke or Keenan could be, they would waive people more readily. In my opinion, here are the assets that other teams would not take and could get through waivers at the beginning of the year when other teams are still assessing their prospects:
Later in the year when other teams have injuries piling up, they might get claimed. At the beginning of the year, they probably have no trade value, so if Benning can trade one for a late pick, it should be considered a bonus. One possible criticism of Benning and Linden is I don’t know if they are ruthless enough to waive veterans with big contracts like Gagner and Eriksson if they get beat out for jobs by the younger players like Gaudette and Dahlen.
These following players have a 50/50 chance of getting claimed if exposed to waivers:
Beagle
Granlund
Pouliot
Del Zotto
Hutton
Sautner
They may have some trade value. The number of players on the team needs to be thinned out before the season starts and hopefully some of these ones return some 3rd and 4th round draft picks if they are moved. I’m not sure how much value they hold to other GMs.
Here are the players that may get a shot on the team, but don’t need to clear waivers:
Most should be kept for the rebuild. Most of these should only be traded for a very rich return. In theory they could be bounced up and down to Utica (except Motte who loses his waiver exempt status if he plays another NHL game) which is something a more ruthless GM might do. But in reality the top three have a good shot to stay with the team all year.
Which leaves these players who would likely get claimed if exposed to waivers:
Some are core, some are place holders, but all should return something decent if traded. Benning shouldn’t trade most of these for prospects or picks until the trade deadline if the Canucks fall out of the playoffs.
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CP, I agree, I do think the management team needs to be more aggressive in moving players at the right time. Not going to rehash the NTC or other clauses, players have been moved in the past and will be moved again in the future.
I believe Gagner will be picked up, still can get 30+ points on the Canucks so on another less goal starved team he would do better.
Or the team could be all fuck the injuries*-bring em on! we get depth for days. (*Canucks led the league the past 3 years or is near the top in man-games lost due to injury), might be best to have 2 or 3 centers on wing, so if one of the key cogs Horvat or Sutter go down, we'd have some capable fill-ins. Schaller and Pettersson can play center for instance.
And if the mighty Quinn signs, our defense on the left will have way too many one-way contracts, gotta trade, team has 3 months about to make some moves before the start of the 2018/19 season begins.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
Like that THG has Pettersson in the middle right off the bat. THG’s line-up has a few issues. Roussel and Juolevi are on the wrong sides. His left side of Baertschi, Eriksson, Gagner, Schaller should probably be Baertschi, Eriksson, Roussel, Schaller. But either way, it is still the weakest area of the team. It will be interesting to see how close Dahlen or Gadjovick are to stealing a job on the LW. If players like Gaunce, Archibald, Leipsic, Goldobin are going to make any noise, they’ll likely have to win a job on the LW, too. Should be an interesting position to watch during the pre-season.
In the perfect world Pettersson would start on the 3rd line center spot, just like other high end center prospects like Nolan Patrick for example.
Flyers October lineup: Patrick and his winger Konecny started on the 3rd line.
28 Claude Giroux | 14 Sean Couturier | 93 Jakub Voracek
40 Jordan Weal/Lehterä | 51 Valtteri Filppula | 17 Wayne Simmonds 22 Dale Weise | 19 Nolan Patrick | 11 Travis Konecny
20 Taylor Leier | 21 Scott Laughton | 12 Michael Raffl
And then by April, playoffs, Patrick and Konecny got to 2nd line status.
28 Claude Giroux - 51 Valtteri Filppula - 93 Jakub Voracek 12 Michael Raffl - 19 Nolan Patrick - 11 Travis Konecny
21 Scott Laughton - 14 Sean Couturier - 17 Wayne Simmonds
24 Matt Read - 15 Jori Lehtera - 22 Dale Weise
I'd prefer our version of Patrick-Konecny to be Dahlen-Pettersson, start em on the 3rd line with a tough winger like maybe Schaller to be the defensive guy, and let those two score.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
Who here thinks it’s a good thing we actually have enough decent young players that it’s possible we may lose some for nothing on waivers? I’m loving it.
Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:07 pm
Who here thinks it’s a good thing we actually have enough decent young players that it’s possible we may lose some for nothing on waivers? I’m loving it.
). It really looks like there's a bit of a log-jam of bodies. Ya have to think that something has to give. My perception is that JB seems to have a heck of a time when it comes to the trading game, and who would want to pick up Gags and his contract? JB would have to probably agree to eat half of it. An Hutton? Maybe he gets a 4th or 5th?
well ya never know, ya know.
