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SKYO wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:57 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:32 pm Lockwood was not papered to the AHL, couldn't be as he isn't under contract. He wouldn't be eligible fo rAHL playoffs, at leastI don't think.

Lockwood can play in the AHL right out of college on a amateur tryout ATO.

ATO- this is an Amateur Try-Out agreement, and is for players who are coming in from college and have never played at the professional level.

These type of contracts are common at the end of the season as many players try to break in to the pro leagues after the college or junior season is over. The ECHL, AHL and NHL all use ATOs.

Thanks for that Skyo. I wonder if he would consider it or say no thanks.

SKYO wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:57 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:32 pm Lockwood was not papered to the AHL, couldn't be as he isn't under contract. He wouldn't be eligible fo rAHL playoffs, at leastI don't think.

Lockwood can play in the AHL right out of college on a amateur tryout ATO.

ATO- this is an Amateur Try-Out agreement, and is for players who are coming in from college and have never played at the professional level.

These type of contracts are common at the end of the season as many players try to break in to the pro leagues after the college or junior season is over. The ECHL, AHL and NHL all use ATOs.

But can he get signed? As in does he take up a contract slot?

Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:01 pm

SKYO wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:57 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:32 pm Lockwood was not papered to the AHL, couldn't be as he isn't under contract. He wouldn't be eligible fo rAHL playoffs, at leastI don't think.

Lockwood can play in the AHL right out of college on a amateur tryout ATO.

ATO- this is an Amateur Try-Out agreement, and is for players who are coming in from college and have never played at the professional level.

These type of contracts are common at the end of the season as many players try to break in to the pro leagues after the college or junior season is over. The ECHL, AHL and NHL all use ATOs.

But can he get signed? As in does he take up a contract slot?

I would think not, take up a contract that is. He would sign an ATO with Utica?

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:23 pm

Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:01 pm

SKYO wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:57 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:32 pm Lockwood was not papered to the AHL, couldn't be as he isn't under contract. He wouldn't be eligible fo rAHL playoffs, at leastI don't think.

Lockwood can play in the AHL right out of college on a amateur tryout ATO.

ATO- this is an Amateur Try-Out agreement, and is for players who are coming in from college and have never played at the professional level.

These type of contracts are common at the end of the season as many players try to break in to the pro leagues after the college or junior season is over. The ECHL, AHL and NHL all use ATOs.

But can he get signed? As in does he take up a contract slot?

I would think not, take up a contract that is. He would sign an ATO with Utica?

Yeah I don't think he takes up a contract slot until he signs a NHL contract, likely this offseason so his ELC doesn't kick in till next season.

Jett Woo, old school smash mouth ferocious hitter and is staying on pace offensively with the WHL’s top D-men. What a steal by Benning! Right Shot D! Say hello to QUINN Hughes wingman

Elias Petterson might want to step it up a bit. Rasmus Dahlin is closing the gap for the Calder

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:11 pm Elias Petterson might want to step it up a bit. Rasmus Dahlin is closing the gap for the Calder

Pettersson - 54 games
Dahlen - 65 games

Pettersson has missed 11 games this season, I wonder how many more points he’d have had he not been injured twice

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:17 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:11 pm Elias Petterson might want to step it up a bit. Rasmus Dahlin is closing the gap for the Calder

Pettersson - 54 games
Dahlen - 65 games

Pettersson has missed 11 games this season, I wonder how many more points he’d have had he not been injured twice

11.22
at 1.02pt per game average.. 11 games missed

this is the rough translation of what Dahlen said;

According to Dahlén he didnt ask. This is what he says in swedish media today.

I've got a little too much undeserved $&!# from some places there (the farm club Utica Comets). I have just said all the time that I want to play here, deserve the playing time in AHL and feel good simply - the agent has passed it on and finally the club was sadly sorry that I did not feel so good and then they chose to get rid with me , says Jonathan Dahlén to Sundsvalls Tidning

Dahlén also says:

For the site, he also develops the situation in Utica Comets in the state of New York.

- There are fantastic teammates and captains in the team, the guys are wonderful but that is the way they try to develop young players - it has had the opposite effect on me and it feels like I have been trampled rather than lifted. Instead of becoming a better hockey player, it has gone in the opposite direction, I have not been able to do anything offensive but to be afraid of being sidelined if I make a mistake, he says END:

From Sweden news;
With 15 goals and 14 assists in 50 matches, Jonathan Dahlén was the best rookie in Utica Comets and the club is on the top half of the north division.
Now Jonathan Dahlén plays in the Shark's pharmacy club San José Barracuda in AHL.
He has been assigned sweater number 22, the same as dad Ulf Dahlén in the organization.
In three games it has become three assists - San José Barracuda is second in the pacific division

Mick; the end. Per? have you heard anything like this?
This does not encourage me...............

Sounds like Dude after an encounter with Rosie Rottencrotch. He gets trampled instead of being lifted

micky107 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:57 am According to Dahlén he didnt ask. This is what he says in swedish media today.

Possibilities are (1) he's not being honest; (2) his agent delivered a nuanced message poorly; (3) the Canucks received the message from the agent uncharitably (meaning read into it the most aggressive message); (4) the Canucks organization is lying (I didn't actually see where JB said that Dahlen said trade or NHL, but I'm gathering from these posts that happened). There doesn't seem to be any motive for (4). Teams move on from prospects all the time. While there is certainly still upside, Dahlen's play and age and development curve make it fairly likely that he will be a tweener -- a top 6 AHL player, not well cut out for a bottom 6 NHL role and not good enough to a top 6 NHL role. More likely is that there was an imperfect translation from Dahen to the agent to the Canucks.

Still, having these reports reminds all of us of how much trouble the organization seems to have with developing prospects into NHL players. I mean who has come through Utica? The past several players that have played decent roles on the Canucks more or less skipped Utica (Hutton, Stecher, Gaudette, Pettersson, Boeser). Virtanen spent year 2 there; its not clear to me (but it might be clear to those following him in Utica) how much this helped.

On Canucks Young(ish) Gun Goldobin. If the plan is not for him to be back next year for one more last chance, the Canucks have messed this up. (Whether this plan -- depend on Goldobin for another year -- was misguided is not the point of this post).

Goldobin came into the season with confidence and putting up points. Yes, playing with skilled players helps one do that, but not everyone has succeeded there. It was just points; it was also missed opportunities, but opportunities Goldobin was creating or taking advantage of. Concentrate less on the miss and more on the chance -- because not everyone makes or takes advantage of chances.

I get the warts in his game, and as the confidence faded, the warts were more pronounced. I get the periodic benching to send a message. But once the Canucks benched him for several games before the ASG, if they were acting rationally, they *must* have by that time made the decision to keep him next season -- and ideally communicated to him the plan. Because replacements weren't going to increase the team's chance of making the playoffs. And sitting him in the press box (or playing him for 10 minutes with 4th liners) was going to kill his trade value. If they wanted to move on from Goldobin, a better plan would have been to *feature* him -- play him with Pettersson, play him on the first PP unit, let him accumulate cheap points. This was the Hodgson tatic, one that worked pretty well (though was actually not the right move at the time -- the deal should have been an offseason deal).

But long stretches in the press box might help Goldobin develop as a player -- not anymore as a "punishment" or "motivation to get back in the lineup" -- sitting for a game or two does that -- but to observe the game, knowing that his job is to observe the game.

In these past few games, easily the worse stretch of the season for the team, I think Goldobin is looking decent. Maybe the plan is working.

On Sunday, my son and I were watching the game and both kept saying; Put out Goldobin! He's the only one creating any offense.
Go figure.

micky107 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:57 am this is the rough translation of what Dahlen said;

According to Dahlén he didnt ask. This is what he says in swedish media today.

I've got a little too much undeserved $&!# from some places there (the farm club Utica Comets). I have just said all the time that I want to play here, deserve the playing time in AHL and feel good simply - the agent has passed it on and finally the club was sadly sorry that I did not feel so good and then they chose to get rid with me , says Jonathan Dahlén to Sundsvalls Tidning

Dahlén also says:

For the site, he also develops the situation in Utica Comets in the state of New York.

- There are fantastic teammates and captains in the team, the guys are wonderful but that is the way they try to develop young players - it has had the opposite effect on me and it feels like I have been trampled rather than lifted. Instead of becoming a better hockey player, it has gone in the opposite direction, I have not been able to do anything offensive but to be afraid of being sidelined if I make a mistake, he says END:

From Sweden news;
With 15 goals and 14 assists in 50 matches, Jonathan Dahlén was the best rookie in Utica Comets and the club is on the top half of the north division.
Now Jonathan Dahlén plays in the Shark's pharmacy club San José Barracuda in AHL.
He has been assigned sweater number 22, the same as dad Ulf Dahlén in the organization.
In three games it has become three assists - San José Barracuda is second in the pacific divisi

From the Canucks;
Benning called the trade “a lateral move.”

Vancouver acquired Dahlen from the Ottawa Senators for forward Alex Burrows in February 2017.

The 21-year-old has 14 goals and 15 assists for the American Hockey League's Utica Comets this season.

Benning said the young Swede's agent called him a few weeks ago, asking that Dahlen be moved. Some players are reluctant to pay their dues when it comes to development, he added.

“They just want to be given an NHL opportunity right off the start,” Benning said. “We just felt that there's some development left in (Dahlen's) game before he's ready to be given an NHL opportunity and we felt that he wasn't there yet.

Too much smoke from Dahlen's camp, obviously he wasn't happy with how he was being developed, seems like he wanted to jump straight into the NHL like Petey, but he wasn't ready and he didn't want to put in the work.

Virtanen got better down there, Kole Lind and Gadjovich didn't complain they are putting in hard work and it's paying off as they are starting to come around to the pro game after shaking off the junior warts.

Olli Juolevi was playing as the Comets top dman playing in every situation and was playing great! till he got injured.

Demko.

Just 5'6 Palmu said nay to the AHL - went back to SM-liiga, he's the type to be able to play in the NHL at around 25 years of age, if at all, at 5'6 he'd be the smallest NHL player, at least Alex DeBrincat is 5'7 aha but he scored over 100pts in every junior season.

The AHL you have to be able to learn a decent two-way game at least, can't just be pure offense and float around. It's what TG is trying to teach Goldy, he was hard on Hutton last season & it's paid off as Huts is playing way better this season.

Goldy is playing much more solid game lately, JB said they have no plans to move him and are going to work with him as he does have good talent scoring wise, just needs to work on consistency and come back on defense to help out.