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Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:33 am
I might be warning to the idea that ole Juolevi is a complete bust. Apparently the hip is sore again. He’s just not durable, bottom line, too bad as he seemed to have the talent.
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Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:33 am
I might be warning to the idea that ole Juolevi is a complete bust. Apparently the hip is sore again. He’s just not durable, bottom line, too bad as he seemed to have the talent.
The word is the kid wont train in the offseason which leads to a weak doughy body that buckles under a stiff wind.

If he would ever grow up and train he might change but hes running out of chances in Van I'd say
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The Brown Wizard wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:33 am
I might be warning to the idea that ole Juolevi is a complete bust. Apparently the hip is sore again. He’s just not durable, bottom line, too bad as he seemed to have the talent.
The word is the kid wont train in the offseason which leads to a weak doughy body that buckles under a stiff wind.

If he would ever grow up and train he might change but hes running out of chances in Van I'd say
He’s starting to look like a genuine flake, for awhile you were just hoping he was an immature brat.

Not a huge fan of Finnish hockey players in general, they are a peculiar breed, you wish they were all like Sami Salo. Totally different than the Swedes.
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Hmmmm....

Selanne
Lumme
Lehtonen

just off the top of my head.

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The Brown Wizard wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:33 am
I might be warning to the idea that ole Juolevi is a complete bust. Apparently the hip is sore again. He’s just not durable, bottom line, too bad as he seemed to have the talent.
The word is the kid wont train in the offseason which leads to a weak doughy body that buckles under a stiff wind.

If he would ever grow up and train he might change but hes running out of chances in Van I'd say
If this is true (and the constant injuries point to it) it seems JB didn't do his homework at all on for this draft. I don't really consider him a prospect at this point, just an AHLer who might get an emergency call-up or be traded for another player who "needs a change of scenery". Either way, I won't be surprised if he never wears the Orca.
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Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:32 pm
Not a huge fan of Finnish hockey players in general, they are a peculiar breed, you wish they were all like Sami Salo. Totally different than the Swedes.
Remember Sami Salo didn't start his NHL career till he was 24 with the Sens, & not every prospect bursts out of the gates like Petey and Hughes, some take time.

The only issue with Juolevi is he has Salo luck lol, just going through injuries every year.

And our other best Finnish player dman was Jyrki Lumme, and he didn't play his first 80+ game NHL season till he was 25. He also had a knee injury with the Habs way back when, but got healthy and had a long superb career.

The Sens and Habs gave up on Salo + Lumme too quick, for Salo (Schaefer) and Lumme (2nd rounder Craig Darby [who bounced back and forth to the AHL).

With that said, I say just relax on 21 yr old Juolevi, he'll be ok in time, he fits the teams systems of a puck possession team and OJ has a great pass, can setup players with superb vision and playmaking ability....Also he won't be needing a big 2nd contract, which saves on cap space down the road. Additionally his value isn't high as it is thanks to injuries, so sit tight and thank the gods Hughes is here to distract you - while OJ continues to develop into a future top 4 dman, cost controlled and likely plays superb NHL hockey 24-25 yrs of age till late 30's, get a good 8-10 years of awesome hockey in him at least.
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The Brown Wizard wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:33 am
I might be warning to the idea that ole Juolevi is a complete bust. Apparently the hip is sore again. He’s just not durable, bottom line, too bad as he seemed to have the talent.
The word is the kid wont train in the offseason which leads to a weak doughy body that buckles under a stiff wind.

If he would ever grow up and train he might change but hes running out of chances in Van I'd say
He';s looking like a bust, but how much of this alleged non-training was due to injuries?
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Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:32 pm
The Brown Wizard wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:33 am
I might be warning to the idea that ole Juolevi is a complete bust. Apparently the hip is sore again. He’s just not durable, bottom line, too bad as he seemed to have the talent.
The word is the kid wont train in the offseason which leads to a weak doughy body that buckles under a stiff wind.

If he would ever grow up and train he might change but hes running out of chances in Van I'd say
He’s starting to look like a genuine flake, for awhile you were just hoping he was an immature brat.

Not a huge fan of Finnish hockey players in general, they are a peculiar breed, you wish they were all like Sami Salo. Totally different than the Swedes.
Jari Kurri
Teemu Selänne
Saku Koivu
Mikko Koivu
Olli Jokinen
Jussi Jokinen
Esa Tikkanen
Valter Filppula
Teppo Numminen
Kimmo Timonen
Sami Kapanen
Christian Ruuttuu
Jyrki Lumme
Reijo Ruotsalainen
Olli Määttää
Sami Vatanen
Sami Salo
Joni Pitkänen
Janne Niinimaa....

Not to mention all the goalies...

Kiprusoff, Rinne, Rask, Lehtonen, Niemi, Niittymäki, Bäckström, Rantaa, Toskala, Markkanen, Korpisalo, etc

It’s a smallish nation; 5 million people.
I think they’ve produced a decent amount of good players. :look:
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The Finn GM of Columbus BJ’s didn’t want to touch his fellow countrymen Puljujarvi and Juolevi with a 10’ dick when flake Finn no. 1 (Puljiarvi) was the consensus ranked 3rd overall and Flake Finn no. 2 Juolevi was highly regarded. I guess it takes a Finn to recognize a Flakey Finn like the Big Tuna Flakes - Virtanen. Ristolainen is a flakey Finn as well. Laine is a flake as well, a decent flake albeit.
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Per wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 am
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:32 pm
The Brown Wizard wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:26 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:33 am
I might be warning to the idea that ole Juolevi is a complete bust. Apparently the hip is sore again. He’s just not durable, bottom line, too bad as he seemed to have the talent.
The word is the kid wont train in the offseason which leads to a weak doughy body that buckles under a stiff wind.

If he would ever grow up and train he might change but hes running out of chances in Van I'd say
He’s starting to look like a genuine flake, for awhile you were just hoping he was an immature brat.

Not a huge fan of Finnish hockey players in general, they are a peculiar breed, you wish they were all like Sami Salo. Totally different than the Swedes.
Jari Kurri
Teemu Selänne
Saku Koivu
Mikko Koivu
Olli Jokinen
Jussi Jokinen
Esa Tikkanen
Valter Filppula
Teppo Numminen
Kimmo Timonen
Sami Kapanen
Christian Ruuttuu
Jyrki Lumme
Reijo Ruotsalainen
Olli Määttää
Sami Vatanen
Sami Salo
Joni Pitkänen
Janne Niinimaa....

Not to mention all the goalies...

Kiprusoff, Rinne, Rask, Lehtonen, Niemi, Niittymäki, Bäckström, Rantaa, Toskala, Markkanen, Korpisalo, etc

It’s a smallish nation; 5 million people.
I think they’ve produced a decent amount of good players. :look:
They are more nomadic Russian/Viking in bred types than Nordic/Scandinavian. They are the sheep shagger potato peelers of the north
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Chef Boi RD wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:33 pm

They are more nomadic Russian/Viking in bred types than Nordic/Scandinavian. They are the sheep shagger potato peelers of the north
:lol:

True. Check out this specimen

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SKYO wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:03 am
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:32 pm
Not a huge fan of Finnish hockey players in general, they are a peculiar breed, you wish they were all like Sami Salo. Totally different than the Swedes.
Remember Sami Salo didn't start his NHL career till he was 24 with the Sens, & not every prospect bursts out of the gates like Petey and Hughes, some take time.

The only issue with Juolevi is he has Salo luck lol, just going through injuries every year.

And our other best Finnish player dman was Jyrki Lumme, and he didn't play his first 80+ game NHL season till he was 25. He also had a knee injury with the Habs way back when, but got healthy and had a long superb career.

The Sens and Habs gave up on Salo + Lumme too quick, for Salo (Schaefer) and Lumme (2nd rounder Craig Darby [who bounced back and forth to the AHL).

With that said, I say just relax on 21 yr old Juolevi, he'll be ok in time, he fits the teams systems of a puck possession team and OJ has a great pass, can setup players with superb vision and playmaking ability....Also he won't be needing a big 2nd contract, which saves on cap space down the road. Additionally his value isn't high as it is thanks to injuries, so sit tight and thank the gods Hughes is here to distract you - while OJ continues to develop into a future top 4 dman, cost controlled and likely plays superb NHL hockey 24-25 yrs of age till late 30's, get a good 8-10 years of awesome hockey in him at least.
Good response.

Everyone develops at a different pace. My only concern is that with the game trending younger, we won't see that "late 30's workhorse defender" as much anymore. Might shorten Joulevi's playing window, if he ever makes the show...
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Madcombinepilot wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:55 am
SKYO wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:03 am
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:32 pm
Not a huge fan of Finnish hockey players in general, they are a peculiar breed, you wish they were all like Sami Salo. Totally different than the Swedes.
Remember Sami Salo didn't start his NHL career till he was 24 with the Sens, & not every prospect bursts out of the gates like Petey and Hughes, some take time.

The only issue with Juolevi is he has Salo luck lol, just going through injuries every year.

And our other best Finnish player dman was Jyrki Lumme, and he didn't play his first 80+ game NHL season till he was 25. He also had a knee injury with the Habs way back when, but got healthy and had a long superb career.

The Sens and Habs gave up on Salo + Lumme too quick, for Salo (Schaefer) and Lumme (2nd rounder Craig Darby [who bounced back and forth to the AHL).

With that said, I say just relax on 21 yr old Juolevi, he'll be ok in time, he fits the teams systems of a puck possession team and OJ has a great pass, can setup players with superb vision and playmaking ability....Also he won't be needing a big 2nd contract, which saves on cap space down the road. Additionally his value isn't high as it is thanks to injuries, so sit tight and thank the gods Hughes is here to distract you - while OJ continues to develop into a future top 4 dman, cost controlled and likely plays superb NHL hockey 24-25 yrs of age till late 30's, get a good 8-10 years of awesome hockey in him at least.
Good response.

Everyone develops at a different pace. My only concern is that with the game trending younger, we won't see that "late 30's workhorse defender" as much anymore. Might shorten Joulevi's playing window, if he ever makes the show...
I was thinking something similar - you cannot compare the league when Salo entered to today. Not to say anyone is a bust but if you are not in the NHL by the time you are 22ish then you probably not be a top 6 forward or a top 3 defender. The league has changed a lot and it also means that GMs should no longer pay a UFA until he is mid 30's unless it is a cheap deal or the UFA's name is Crosby.

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The guy was a top 5 pick four years ago. Most of the players picked in the first round of that draft have already become NHL regulars/ some of them very good players. In the grand scheme of things we’d have been ok picking Jakob Chychrun at 5.
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