Canucks Young Guns

[Meds]

Mëds, Gudbranson, Sutter and Eriksson are a bottom pairing D and two third liners. They are being paid gobs of money and big assets were shipped out for Sutter and Guddy. These three should cost about 8 million total st best.

These acquisitions and others( Schaller) speak to the state of the pro scouting. It’s brutal.

Gudbranson was coming off one decent season. He’s been mostly terrible in his time here. The coach has been slashing his ice time even before Edler and Tanev got hurt. Eriksson is a fucking crook. Sutter finally played decent last year but is constantly hurt due to his weak frame. Either way sure a person can justify at the time and say yes the cost was sky high but these were effective players before coming here. Now that we’ve all seen these three slugs, anyone continuing to defend these players and these moves is either a troll or a retard.

I'm not disputing that they are currently not worth their coin. Like I said, Sutter wasn't a great trade, he didn't cost us big assets, and his contract extension is bad. Gudbranson wasn't a bad trade and is now overpaid, but the trade was not terrible. Loui is now a crook because of his production vs cost.....but a 60 point winger with a 200 foot game will always cost you what he cost us, and when they don't pan out the GM takes it in the neck, but really the player is not hitting his former mark, and really he should have based on his historical play.

I don't agree that the cost of acquisition was sky high, I think it could look that way, but based on what the outgoing assets had done and what they've done since, it's really not as bad as you make it sound.

I'm not in the Benning is a genius camp by any stretch.

[Strangelove]

Madden,Lockwood,Dahlen,Gadjovich,Woo,Utunen,Juolevi,Lind and that guy named Hughes. Let alone the stallions Jimbro will be rounding up at this years rodeo.

the rebuild only started with the trades of Hansen and Burrows. LOL

I think that’s been pretty clear to most folks.

Most folks at HF perhaps...

[Strangelove]

Kids are coming right along it’s great to see

We need to build an addition to the Benning’s Prospect Stable. The current one doesn’t have enough stalls to house all these amazing prospects.

Madden,Lockwood,Dahlen,Gadjovich,Woo,Utunen,Juolevi,Lind and that guy named Hughes. Let alone the stallions Jimbro will be rounding up at this years rodeo.

the rebuild only started with the trades of Hansen and Burrows. LOL

I think that’s been pretty clear to most folks.

Good to see you catching up

It began with the hiring of Genius GM Jim Benning. That has been clear to those who have vision.

I recall a PM discussion with Doc around that time as the Benning hate was beginning. We both astonished that people could not connect the dots of prospects being added to the pipe and when they may hit the lineup along with the dates of expiring contracts. Benning even layed it out in black and white for all to see and read.

Yet the illiterate broom pushers still scream.

+1

"Illiterate splinter filled broom pushers"

[Strangelove]

Wow, Thanks!!!
Really happy to see Will Lockwood a force again.

A force who hasn’t played an NHL game.



Only on this board







Never change.


All prospects always turn out

CLEARLY the poster said Lockwood is a force in the league in which he is currently playing.

(seriously, you got 'Lockwood is an NHL force' from that??)

As a friend I recommend you stop drinking and reading at HF...

[Strangelove]

anyone continuing to defend these players and these moves is either a troll or a retard.

it's really not as bad as you make it sound.

Blob is clearly doing some "retarded trolling" here...

[Ronning's Ghost]

the rebuild that they were attempting, one that tries to remain competitive and has roster players who are vets that can help show kids what it takes to play in the NHL and are still of an age that they might be useful pieces when the team is winning again.

And this, this "re-tool on the fly" concept, is my principle objection to the Benning era. He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.

[Island Nucklehead]

the rebuild that they were attempting, one that tries to remain competitive and has roster players who are vets that can help show kids what it takes to play in the NHL and are still of an age that they might be useful pieces when the team is winning again.

And this, this "re-tool on the fly" concept, is my principle objection to the Benning era. He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.

[Strangelove]

He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.

So in your opinion your Vancouver Canucks led by a new young core could have been fighting a playoff spot at the deadline

... years earlier?

I guess Ronning's Ghost must be the real genius here...

[Ronning's Ghost]

He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.

So in your opinion your Vancouver Canucks led by a new young core could have been fighting a playoff spot at the deadline

... years earlier?

I guess Ronning's Ghost must be the real genius here...

"Fighting for a playoff spot" is not the objective -- not even an intermediate one. The goal is a sufficient concentration of talent at one time to actually compete for the Cup. Failing to load up on draft picks earlier in the process hurt that goal. I think that's sufficiently clear to everyone who is not of the "Benning can do no wrong" camp that it does not qualify as a genius insight.

[Strangelove]

Failing to load up on draft picks earlier in the process hurt that goal.

Wrong.

[Hockey Widow]

He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.

So in your opinion your Vancouver Canucks led by a new young core could have been fighting a playoff spot at the deadline

... years earlier?

I guess Ronning's Ghost must be the real genius here...

"Fighting for a playoff spot" is not the objective -- not even an intermediate one. The goal is a sufficient concentration of talent at one time to actually compete for the Cup. Failing to load up on draft picks earlier in the process hurt that goal. I think that's sufficiently clear to everyone who is not of the "Benning can do no wrong" camp that it does not qualify as a genius insight.

As much as I fantasize about a bottom finish, a 1st OA in a Matthews or McJesus draft, fighting for the playoffs should aways be the goal. Really, why else play?

[Ronning's Ghost]

fighting for the playoffs should aways be the goal. Really, why else play?

To win the Stanley Cup. What other objective matters?

They won a couple of President's Trophies. Did either of them make you happy?

[Blob Mckenzie]

Failing to load up on draft picks earlier in the process hurt that goal. I think that's sufficiently clear to everyone who is not of the "Benning can do no wrong" camp that it does not qualify as a genius insight.

Another excellent point. You couldn’t be more correct

[Strangelove]

MS' zombies running amok today...

[Meds]

the rebuild that they were attempting, one that tries to remain competitive and has roster players who are vets that can help show kids what it takes to play in the NHL and are still of an age that they might be useful pieces when the team is winning again.

And this, this "re-tool on the fly" concept, is my principle objection to the Benning era. He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.

And I remain unconvinced that this was Benning's plan. I suspect it was a combination of Aquabros and Linden handing down marching orders out of a desire to reap playoff revenues and some misplaced loyalty to the Sedins. Things started changing at the beginning of the 2017-18 season and culminated in Linden's departure and ownership's endorsement of rebuilding to remain competitive long-term. It's no coincidence that this all came to a head at the same time that Hank and Dank retired.

What we have seen in the past 2 years, and particularly this season for the first time, is Benning's team. At the drop of the puck in October of this year the only remaining holdover from the Gillis era will be the threat of Luongo's recapture penalty should he retire "early".

This year has been a good measuring stick for what Benning can do with a team. We are seeing leadership from our young forwards, as well as support from Benning's "Linden-free" off-season signings of Roussel and Beagle. Our forward group and prospect pool is much improved and so long as he can continue to keep the prospect cupboard stocked as we go forward that area is fine and continuing to improve. Goaltending is solid. Markstrom is finally hitting his projected potential, albeit almost a decade late. We have two of the most promising goaltending prospects going.

Our blueline is still a mess needs a face-lift.....

If he's not healthy by TDD then Tanev should be shopped in the off-season, he's getting hurt way too often and his game is just too one-dimensional, however there are still enough GM's out there that would see him as being a cap-friendly contract still signed for next season. If he's back and ready to rock in a week (so so unlikely) then trade him for a prospect. The idea of him to Tampa for Foote has merit, although we would be sweetening the pot to make it happen. If looking at a team like the Bolts as a trade partner then retain $1M of salary and toss in a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Keep Edler.

Stetcher, Hutton, Pouliot, and Gudbranson, are all expendable given the right circumstances.

Look to free agency. Karlsson*, Trouba, Meyers, Gardiner, and Methot, are all worth kicking the tires on (the latter only if Karlsson shows any interest in Vancouver, he liked playing with Methot).

*Only if he hits the market as SJ is looking hard at trying to keep him and it sounds like both parties are mutually seeking a deal.

Our competitiveness next season will depend largely on what Elmer does with the defense corps during the off-season. If it's not improved we will once more be a wild card contender only if the rest of the conference moves up the standings at a snail's pace.