E2016 Playoffs Round One
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perfect ending to my day! Little bitch kesler is gone from the playoffs!!! My trifecta is complete!!
Too bad for kev though, I could stand him winning it.
Too bad for kev though, I could stand him winning it.
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Our old buddy Kes can go crying @ the golf course.Hank wrote:Love it! The Anaheim Dicks are out. NYR out. Blackcocks out. Queens out.
I hope Rinne talked some smack to Kesler.
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It really was the best loss of all. They need better goaltending before their window closes
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.....Hank wrote:Love it! The Anaheim Dicks are out. NYR out. Blackcocks out. Queens out.
I hope Rinne talked some smack to Kesler.
And oh yeah, we're going to gain some cap, possibly get a FA or two and add another great prospect to our expanding pool on our way to a quick rebuild/retool. Loving this genius tank ride
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It is sad cheering for losses by ex Canuck's who screwed over the team with their disloyalty and personal aspirations instead of cheering for Canuck victories.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
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Yeah... but it's all we got until the lottery... (which sounds even sadder).Topper wrote:It is sad cheering for losses by ex Canuck's who screwed over the team with their disloyalty and personal aspirations instead of cheering for Canuck victories.
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Yes, it's so sad...
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I, for one, gave a few fist pumps when we beat those 3 Calif. teams.Topper wrote:It is sad cheering for losses by ex Canuck's who screwed over the team with their disloyalty and personal aspirations instead of cheering for Canuck victories.
"evolution"
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That's a pretty tough argument to make. Richards was playing well below his cap hit in 2014 when he was bought out managing 51 points in the 82 games he played. Someone likely wouldve offered him something similar after the buyout but he signed for $2M.Strangelove wrote: Brad Richards was considered an elite centre at the time of his buyout with only a $6.6M cap-hit.
Ehrhoff sucked nuts in Buffalo, he stats alone are terrible - obviously partially because of the horrid team he was on but the year he was bought out he finished a -27 and was a complete liability. You could clearly see he was on a downhill slide in his career, still was a good cap hit but his play has gotten consistently worse where he's been sent to the minors this season. It was a shitty deal for Buffalo from the outset.Strangelove wrote: Ehrhoff was still at the top of his game on a mere $4M cap-hit.
Lecavalier (same age as Thornton) was considered a dominant top-6 centre on relatively small $7.7M cap-hit.
Lecavalier was once considered a dominant centre, definitely not when he was bought out. He was putting up decent numbers, but he was also aging and injuries were adding up. In the 168 games before his buyout he netted 135 points, that's decent but not dominant. And not worth his $7.7M cap hit, let alone the $38.5M in real salary the next 4 years.
These guys play had clearly dropped below what their cap hits were worth and the teams felt it would get worse. I'm sure the GMs thought they would retire early, you could see they would be in the NHL for the whole length of their contract because their game was dropping so dramatically.
They weighed the pros and cons and the buyout was the best option. In no small part because they were also due so much salary in the next few years that the teams were going to have to pay anyways! Why not buy them out and have available cap space? It also completely negates the cap recapture.
The difference being, Luongo is still playing really well. And is well worth his cap hit and even his real salary! Gillis weighed the pros and cons and his contract wasn't worth buying out.
And let's be totally honest here, these GMs likely knew they probably wouldn't be around when the cap recapture actually affected their team. Like coaches they are hired to be fired!
I would barely even call it a theory, more of a hopeful wish.Strangelove wrote: See how the bolded part speaks against your "No Probs, Just Chuck em on LTIR Theory"?
It would be very convenient! And it has happened. Pronger cannot play any longer, they aren't forcing him to retire. Hell you can even trade his LTIR contract!
All Luongo, or anyone else who has these contracts, has to do is suffer from some injuries. What doc is going to say you have to play if you complain about joint problems, groin soreness, etc. Hell I've never played in the NHL and my shoulders are screwed from hockey and baseball, it would be really easy to stick me on the LTIR - no doc would want me playing full contact hockey anymore.
He doesn't even have to make up an injury, he just has to find the game has taken a toll on his body and he just can't play anymore. Guys do this all the time.
Why doesn't Pronger just announce his retirement? The team holding his contract doesn't want him to because he signed it after he was 35 and the full amount counts against the cap, also you can't go over the cap unless he stays on LTIR. IIRC
Unless I'm missing something.
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He wouldn't get paid if he (officially) retired.Aaronp18 wrote: Why doesn't Pronger just announce his retirement?
And for a team like Arizona, paying Pronger 575K to NOT play is worth $4.9M to their cap, helping them reach the floor. They want nothing to do with LTIR, just want to artificially lower their cap floor.
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At the time of the buyout Richards was leading the Rags in ice-time among forwards by a country mile.Aaronp18 wrote: That's a pretty tough argument to make. Richards was playing well below his cap hit when he was bought out
He was also their de facto captain after Callahan was traded.
Great cap hit at the time.
Agreed.Aaronp18 wrote: Ehrhoff sucked nuts in Buffalo... still was a good cap hit but
Yet Lecavalier, after the buyout, was immediately signed to a 5-year $22.5M contract.Aaronp18 wrote: Lecavalier was once considered a dominant centre, definitely not when he was bought out...$7.7M cap hit
(and twas strongly rumoured he could have gotten a lot more if he were willing to play elsewhere)
Don't forget these contracts were designed to be awesomely-low cap-hits for only the first few years.
Well of course they were going to retire early, that was the whole beauty of these contracts (pre Lou Rule).Aaronp18 wrote: These guys play had clearly dropped below what their cap hits were worth and the teams felt it would get worse. I'm sure the GMs thought they would retire early...
Right, cuz trying to stash em (eventually) on LTIR wasn't an option.Aaronp18 wrote: They weighed the pros and cons and the buyout was the best option.
Which brings us back to... the point.
Richards' buyout was $20M, Lecavalier's buyout was $33M, etc.Aaronp18 wrote: The difference being, Luongo is still playing really well. And is well worth his cap hit and even his real salary! Gillis weighed the pros and cons and his contract wasn't worth buying out.
And let's be totally honest here, these GMs likely knew they probably wouldn't be around when the cap recapture actually affected their team. Like coaches they are hired to be fired!
No doubt it's the owners that make these calls, but whatever...
So now it's the "No Probs, Just Chuck em on LTIR Wish"?Aaronp18 wrote:I would barely even call it a theory, more of a hopeful wish.Strangelove wrote: See how the bolded part speaks against your "No Probs, Just Chuck em on LTIR Theory"?
Yeah well, not gonna happen...
Pronger has suffered from severe concussion symptoms for 5 years now.Aaronp18 wrote: It would be very convenient! And it has happened. Pronger cannot play any longer, they aren't forcing him to retire. Hell you can even trade his LTIR contract!
To this day he has to limit his activity.
Wishful-thinking again?Aaronp18 wrote: All Luongo, or anyone else who has these contracts, has to do is suffer from some injuries. What doc is going to say you have to play if you complain about joint problems, groin soreness, etc.
If the doc can't find a provable serious long term injury, they'd have to stick him on the IR or healthy-scratch him.
LTIR is serious business.
Besides, Lou would have to give up his golfing, partying, and poker-playing.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
As IN stated, Pronger wouldn't get paid if he retired.Aaronp18 wrote: Why doesn't Pronger just announce his retirement? The team holding his contract doesn't want him to because he signed it after he was 35 and the full amount counts against the cap, also you can't go over the cap unless he stays on LTIR. IIRC
Unless I'm missing something.
He's legit injured, so why should he?
Say, have you seen my "Panthers Buyout Lou and Canucks' Recapture Penalty Goes Poof Theory".
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I disagree, and wouldn't have wanted him on the Canucks at that cap hit - which is sort of my litmus test I guess.Strangelove wrote: Great cap hit at the time.
Which is more than $3M less than his previous cap hit. That's a substantial drop, and his numbers continued to decline once signing in PHI and he was eventually traded and is now retired.Strangelove wrote: Yet Lecavalier, after the buyout, was immediately signed to a 5-year $22.5M contract.
(and twas strongly rumoured he could have gotten a lot more if he were willing to play elsewhere)
I get the rationale for the front end loaded contracts but he should still be making $8.5M next season if his contract wasn't bought out. Lecavalier's play deteriorated faster than anticipated which is why the buyout made a lot of sense, along with the other reasons (cap recapture, total money owed, etc).
But if they do suffer from a series of injuries that doesn't enable them to play any longer!? I get that teams didn't want to hedge their bets on this happening, hence the buyout.Strangelove wrote: Right, cuz trying to stash em (eventually) on LTIR wasn't an option.
Hey, you brought up GMs not me!Strangelove wrote: No doubt it's the owners that make these calls, but whatever...
No it's the "No Probs, Just Chuck em on LTIR if he's suffering from an injuryWish"Strangelove wrote: So now it's the "No Probs, Just Chuck em on LTIR Wish"?
The fake injury was clearly tongue in cheek and I realize that's not likely to happen. However, odd are the longer a guy plays the more likely he is to suffer from either nagging or a long term injury! And as I stated before goalies in particular can suffer from a bunch of minor injures that won't allow them to perform any longer.
I can think of a few injuries that wouldn't allow you to play goal at the NHL level but still enable you to do those things.Strangelove wrote: Besides, Lou would have to give up his golfing, partying, and poker-playing.
His salary for this season and next season is $575,000. I really don't think getting paid is the reason any longer. He's probably getting paid more than that working for the NHL.Strangelove wrote: As IN stated, Pronger wouldn't get paid if he retired.
I hope it happens. Or Luo suffers from some nagging injuries that won't allow him to play goal any longer but still maintains a decent lifestyle so he goes on the LTIR!Strangelove wrote: Say, have you seen my "Panthers Buyout Lou and Canucks' Recapture Penalty Goes Poof Theory".