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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:25 pm

Reefer2 wrote: HW did I miss something? What player discontent?

Treatment of vets? Who? Higgins?
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Chef Boi RD » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:38 pm

HW is a hoarder with tons of cats and never leaves the house, she hears voices in her head, those are her sources.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Reefer2 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:47 pm

RoyalDude wrote:HW is a hoarder with tons of cats and never leaves the house, she hears voices in her head, those are her sources.
Lol this is coming from a guy who lambasts her about her sources and says he has friend who has a friend and they said.......

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Hockey Widow » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:48 pm

Reefer2 wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Ya Blob, I heard some really disheartening things today about the Canucks. I wasn't kidding when I said I felt gut punched again. For the first time perhaps I have my rose coloured glasses off.

From the turmoil in the front office, separation between owner and management, player discontent, treatment of vets, on and on it goes.
HW did I miss something? What player discontent?

Treatment of vets? Who? Higgins?

It goes much deeper than just Higgins. A pattern going back to Mitchell and then Luongo. Parting of NTC. Blocking trades and trade requests. Getting too young to fast with over reaching expectations placed upon the vets given the lack of support. Broken promises. You've all heard the stories. Miller apparently had two more offers before he signed with us now feeling like he was sold a bill of goods. He'd welcome a trade.

Agents cautioning players against signing in Vancouver mainly because of the instability of ownership. I don't mean financial. No clear direction. Unrealistic timelines. The days of being treated with respect have dwindled, in the opinion of of some agents and ex-players. Agents feel trade protection has no meaning with the Canucks.

Cliques forming in the dressing room. Perhaps a product of family men versus the young and the restless? Feeling that some younger players have not had to earn a job while vets who have given their all have been scapegoated for the results.

As Doc says maybe just impatience. Maybe sour grapes from players who couldn't get the job done.

I was told ownership keeps changing the goal posts. Say they are fine transitioning but refuse a rebuild. Refused the Luongo trade initially. Refused the Kesler deal, initially. Refused a deal for Edler, Burrows and Higgins 2 summers ago. Got into a pissing contest with MG over a rebuild. Seems Torts and MG were actually on the same page.

Hired Linden with full autonomy but that was short lived. Hearing Linden has to keep putting out internal fires.

Ownership has mandated spending to the cap and being active in FA. Wanted to offer the moon for Lucic.

Anyway, I was painted a picture of a team in disarray with no one sure who is in charge. Ownership described as business men with no clue how to run a sports franchise. Wanting to keep up with the Jones but no clue how to do that. Even to the point of interfering, from time to time, with line up decisions, or at least trying to. This is where Linden putting out fires comes in.

I dunno. Maybe just fan frustration boiling over still. But players talk. Agents talk. Owners talk. As Doc says, maybe the nature of a painful rebuild and in that sense it's all normal.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Hockey Widow » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:50 pm

RoyalDude wrote:HW is a hoarder with tons of cats and never leaves the house, she hears voices in her head, those are her sources.

I hate cats. Can't stand the damn things. The only place I'd have them is in my microwave!
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by rikster » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:59 pm

No shit he ain't interested. The team is a mess. The good players are mostly ancient and the team has little in the way of high end young talent
Blue chip free agents can't have their cake and eat it too....

If they want maximum dollars and term, they will cause cap issues either at the front end or at the back end of the contract...

Going to a contender today doesn't mean it will be contender for most of the term of the new contract...

Regarding HW's concern, I agree with Doc....

It's not ownership whose breaking up the country club, its Benning and Linden with ownerships blessing...

Benning is a 180 from Gillis as far as player loyalty, and its always difficult to part ways with good team guys like Higgins and possibly Burrows...

But listening to any of the next generation players on the team, there hasn't been any comments which would lend creditability to HW's sources concerns...

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by gobi » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:16 pm

If the Canucks cannot get any big name FA's, JB should really consider using the cap space as a means to get some good pieces. CBJ still needs cap help so perhaps taking on Hartnell + a prospect. Don't get so hung up on FA's.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:21 pm

gobi wrote:If the Canucks cannot get any big name FA's, JB should really consider using the cap space as a means to get some good pieces. CBJ still needs cap help so perhaps taking on Hartnell + a prospect. Don't get so hung up on FA's.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:24 pm

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Hockey Widow wrote:I hunk to prevent from being shut out Benning will hand out some of those contracts Blob loves.
No no, Blob loves him some UFA contracts.

Says he wishes the Sbisa/Dorsett contracts weren't there so we'd have mo money to overspend on dat dere!

Oh it's true...
Yeah no. Blob said if the team didn't have the boat anchors of Sutter, Miller, Sbisa, Dorsett, that they'd actually have some real money to really improve the team. But if that doesn't fit your narrative please continue to spread the bullshit as its all you've got.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by gobi » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:25 pm

Sigh...wonder the club would be now if they had been able to trade Edler, Burrows, and Higgins two years ago. Now Higgins is being bought out and Burrows being another potential buy out. I wish AQ can see the consequences of his interferences.

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:38 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:I hunk to prevent from being shut out Benning will hand out some of those contracts Blob loves.
No no, Blob loves him some UFA contracts.

Says he wishes the Sbisa/Dorsett contracts weren't there so we'd have mo money to overspend on dat dere!

Oh it's true...
Yeah no. Blob said if the team didn't have the boat anchors of Sutter, Miller, Sbisa, Dorsett, that they'd actually have some real money to really improve the team
... by blowing it on UFAs. Image

Yup, that's EXACTLY what you've been saying. :drink:
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by ukcanuck » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:02 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:I hunk to prevent from being shut out Benning will hand out some of those contracts Blob loves.
No no, Blob loves him some UFA contracts.

Says he wishes the Sbisa/Dorsett contracts weren't there so we'd have mo money to overspend on dat dere!

Oh it's true...
Yeah no. Blob said if the team didn't have the boat anchors of Sutter, Miller, Sbisa, Dorsett, that they'd actually have some real money to really improve the team
... by blowing it on UFAs. Image

And Looking at that UFA list after the good ones who don't want to play here anyway, who's left that's better than what we already have under knowable contracts ?

Yup, that's EXACTLY what you've been saying. :drink:
Nobody really on that UFA list other than dudes who don't want to play for us anyway ...

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by Madcombinepilot » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:59 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:HW is a hoarder with tons of cats and never leaves the house, she hears voices in her head, those are her sources.

I hate cats. Can't stand the damn things. The only place I'd have them is in my microwave!

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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by SKYO » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:43 am

Seems pretty simple to me, Canucks have had NTC's up the ass thanks to the Gillis regime, and as the team aged and had no prospects to replace em, (thanks to Gillis shitty drafting, yes AND being in the cup chase) the team kept going down the toilet quick, the old core of players were kept together far tooooooooo long.

A good team drafts well and before the young guys need new contracts trades em for picks to continue dominating, just like the Blackhawks whom have traded countless star depth players for picks and young guys, surrounding their "sedins" Kane and Toews with new youth.
They also built their foundation first with Keith and Seabrook, something JB is doing right now.

Both the Blackhawks and Kings traded significant pieces over the years to try to get better and younger alot, this is why I don't see a problem with trading to try to get better, and also why I think this is a good year to trade Hansen IF we can get a younger player like Tom Wilson or add to get a Nichushkin type.

Torts was brought in to shake the core up and bring some life into it, but even he couldn't do that for the aging slowing core, and Torts said this team was stale.

Team goes into a stalemate and in comes Benning, from the East, to try to make the team playoff worthy asap, does that, but immediately notices how shitty the prospects cupboards are and the lack of young guys, but is stuck with all these NTC's from a shitty team with big contracts.

So out goes Jayg, kesler and bieksa, wisely chooses markstrom over lack, kept millertime so markstrom has more goalie coaching time and builds up confidence to take over #1 spot in 2017.

Tries to get a slew of early 20's types (as they are further along in development) for picks, some work some don't.

With the Sedins here and how they bust their ass trying to win at all costs, there is no way while they are healthy this team can tank and fully rebuild, hence here we are in year 3, stuck between a rock and hard place, he continues on with his extremely difficult plan of rebuilding a team while trying to be competitive. Benning has accomplished some of his goals so far by building a newer built defense that's bigger, younger and stronger.

And a solidified pipeline of goalies for years to come.
Markstrom, Demko, Garteig.

Defense:
Tryamkin, Pedan, Olli Juolevi, Troy Stecher, Brisbois, Tate Olson.

Prospects with unknown potential:
Zhukenov, lockwood, jasek, neill, candella, Jordan Subban.

Younger players 24 and under: Gudbranson, Hutton, Etem, Baertschi, Horvat, Granlund, Virtanen.

Got the veterans in Sutter, Dorsett and Sbisa for the experience factor & grit for the young guys.
Still has the Sedins, Hansen, Edler, Burrows, Tanev on the squad.

On top of having Brendan Gaunce, Cole Cassels, Grenier, Rodin and Brock Boeser coming in 2017, whom was re-rated to should have been picked in the top 10 last draft.

See it's just that simple, rebuild on the fly!

He cleared out a lot of the stale guys from the old regime, got the team younger and is committed to improving the team to be competitive all while being blasted 24/7 by Canucks fans who were used to winning back to back president trophies just more than a few years ago.
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Re: Canucks 2016 Post Season Discussion

Post by micky107 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:02 am

It's pro sports and if you look back at any teams history you cam find stuff that could be called treating vets badly.
I see nothing to indicate the Canucks are any worse or better in this regard than anyone else.
These guys have till they're 36 to 38, if they're lucky, to earn as much as they can.
Just the nature of the beast.

What was handled badly by all was that pathetic, wishy washy, soap opera with Hamhuis at the TD.
That shit was just way too publicized, everyone was whining on the radio for the world to hear.
That was just plain bad for everyone's rep and accomplished nothing.

Whether your the player, the management or the programming turkeys on 1040, don't portray it in a manner where everyone takes sides, ya know? ;)
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