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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)

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Chef Boi RD wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:39 pm
Nuckertuzzi wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:48 pm For the record I was never one to get too involved in picking favorites before the draft and/or criticizing picks after. Except perhaps the Joulevi pick only because at the time everything leading up to that draft had a clear consensus of a top 5 tier that most lists didn't have Joulevi on, so to me it reeked of drafting for position which is a cardinal sin when picking so high. I felt we needed to dumb it down and stick with the consensus, which other than the Oilers' pick was pretty accurate.
Nevertheless I think getting worked up for players most of us know very little about may be fun for debate but is really an exercise in futility.
Juolevi was getting consistent top 6 rankings leading up to the draft, it wasn’t a reach at all, in fact a lot of people were ok with the pick. Leading up to the draft everyone kept saying the Canucks need to draft a Defenceman. The last time they did so was Luc Bourdon. It’s hard to find defencemen in the draft. The Canucks drafted 3 wingers in the previous 3 first rounds - Shinkaruk, Virtanen and Boeser. They were deep with wingers in the pipeline but not Defenceman. Was it the best choice? No. Obviously. But that’s the nature of the draft when drafting 18 year olds. It won’t be the last time where the choice made wasn’t the best choice. Benning has done remarkably well since that draft with his choices, but because of the good run I’m assuming we are bound for a dud soon.
That was also the draft Jimbro let everybody know they were targeting Piere luc Dubois, Columbus snagged him ahead of us, plan B hasn't worked out (so far), and Jimbro hasn't tipped his hand since.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:13 am There’s a comment from Doc in the draft thread right before the draft saying he’d “go to the dark side” if they drafted Petey. He was on literally nobody’s radar here.
That's not what I said, I made a joke about all the Vilardi-lovers, here it is:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 71#p283171

FFS... PADDY, DUDE, AND I WERE DRIVING THE PETEY BANDWAGON PRIOR TO THE DRAFT:
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:25 pm
olpaddy wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Yeah I'm starting to be sold on the idea of Pettersen.
Okay, Pettersen it is! :rockin:
Look at us agreeing Doc this is oddly strange...
Then it must be destiny! :rockin:
:rockin:
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Strangelove wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:02 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:13 am There’s a comment from Doc in the draft thread right before the draft saying he’d “go to the dark side” if they drafted Petey. He was on literally nobody’s radar here.
That's not what I said, I made a joke about all the Vilardi-lovers, here it is:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 71#p283171

FFS... PADDY, DUDE, AND I WERE DRIVING THE PETEY BANDWAGON PRIOR TO THE DRAFT:
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:25 pm
olpaddy wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Yeah I'm starting to be sold on the idea of Pettersen.
Okay, Pettersen it is! :rockin:
Look at us agreeing Doc this is oddly strange...
Then it must be destiny! :rockin:
:rockin:
Paddy sure... walk the thread back and the Dud is up and down and side to side like a fucking jellyfish. Get serious he zeroed in on Pettersson. :lol:

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The 2017 draft thread is a wealth of knowledge
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Richardstroker69 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:07 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:36 pm
Topper wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:50 pm The JuJU man was one the key 3 of the Fin WJC team that everyone drooled over.
He really wasn’t. He was a passenger on both his own junior team and the Finnish national team. He racked up a bunch of assists and once he didn’t play on the dream teams the following two years his play went in the toilet.
His draft plus 2 year was great, what are you talking about?
I might be putting the boots to Razor a bit. Sami Salo however did comment on his lack of grit in the D zone and that he could be better.

Big year for him coming up. Kick down a door or two and silence the critics. I hope he can shine
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dangler wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:21 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:39 pm
Nuckertuzzi wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:48 pm For the record I was never one to get too involved in picking favorites before the draft and/or criticizing picks after. Except perhaps the Joulevi pick only because at the time everything leading up to that draft had a clear consensus of a top 5 tier that most lists didn't have Joulevi on, so to me it reeked of drafting for position which is a cardinal sin when picking so high. I felt we needed to dumb it down and stick with the consensus, which other than the Oilers' pick was pretty accurate.
Nevertheless I think getting worked up for players most of us know very little about may be fun for debate but is really an exercise in futility.
Juolevi was getting consistent top 6 rankings leading up to the draft, it wasn’t a reach at all, in fact a lot of people were ok with the pick. Leading up to the draft everyone kept saying the Canucks need to draft a Defenceman. The last time they did so was Luc Bourdon. It’s hard to find defencemen in the draft. The Canucks drafted 3 wingers in the previous 3 first rounds - Shinkaruk, Virtanen and Boeser. They were deep with wingers in the pipeline but not Defenceman. Was it the best choice? No. Obviously. But that’s the nature of the draft when drafting 18 year olds. It won’t be the last time where the choice made wasn’t the best choice. Benning has done remarkably well since that draft with his choices, but because of the good run I’m assuming we are bound for a dud soon.
That was also the draft Jimbro let everybody know they were targeting Piere luc Dubois, Columbus snagged him ahead of us, plan B hasn't worked out (so far), and Jimbro hasn't tipped his hand since.
I don’t think Columbus needed Jim’s wink wink to pick PLD. They wanted PLD
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:03 pm
Richardstroker69 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:07 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:36 pm
Topper wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:50 pm The JuJU man was one the key 3 of the Fin WJC team that everyone drooled over.
He really wasn’t. He was a passenger on both his own junior team and the Finnish national team. He racked up a bunch of assists and once he didn’t play on the dream teams the following two years his play went in the toilet.
His draft plus 2 year was great, what are you talking about?
I might be putting the boots to Razor a bit. Sami Salo however did comment on his lack of grit in the D zone and that he could be better.

Big year for him coming up. Kick down a door or two and silence the critics. I hope he can shine
Keep in mind he was young for his draft class. He’s not much older than Petey. He will come around, those two untimely injuries in which each required surgery really fucked with his development
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:53 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:02 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:13 am There’s a comment from Doc in the draft thread right before the draft saying he’d “go to the dark side” if they drafted Petey. He was on literally nobody’s radar here.
That's not what I said, I made a joke about all the Vilardi-lovers, here it is:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 71#p283171

FFS... PADDY, DUDE, AND I WERE DRIVING THE PETEY BANDWAGON PRIOR TO THE DRAFT:
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:25 pm
olpaddy wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Yeah I'm starting to be sold on the idea of Pettersen.
Okay, Pettersen it is! :rockin:
Look at us agreeing Doc this is oddly strange...
Then it must be destiny! :rockin:
:rockin:
Paddy sure... walk the thread back and the Dud is up and down and side to side like a fucking jellyfish. Get serious he zeroed in on Pettersson. :lol:

Your comment is your comment.
Give credit where credit is due! :mex:

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Chef Boi RD wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:39 pm
Nuckertuzzi wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:48 pm For the record I was never one to get too involved in picking favorites before the draft and/or criticizing picks after. Except perhaps the Joulevi pick only because at the time everything leading up to that draft had a clear consensus of a top 5 tier that most lists didn't have Joulevi on, so to me it reeked of drafting for position which is a cardinal sin when picking so high. I felt we needed to dumb it down and stick with the consensus, which other than the Oilers' pick was pretty accurate.
Nevertheless I think getting worked up for players most of us know very little about may be fun for debate but is really an exercise in futility.
Juolevi was getting consistent top 6 rankings leading up to the draft, it wasn’t a reach at all, in fact a lot of people were ok with the pick. Leading up to the draft everyone kept saying the Canucks need to draft a Defenceman. The last time they did so was Luc Bourdon. It’s hard to find defencemen in the draft. The Canucks drafted 3 wingers in the previous 3 first rounds - Shinkaruk, Virtanen and Boeser. They were deep with wingers in the pipeline but not Defenceman. Was it the best choice? No. Obviously. But that’s the nature of the draft when drafting 18 year olds. It won’t be the last time where the choice made wasn’t the best choice. Benning has done remarkably well since that draft with his choices, but because of the good run I’m assuming we are bound for a dud soon.

I didn't say it was a reach to pick OJ at all. I knew at the time everybody had him as one of if not the best D prospects in the draft. I knew that we needed a D prospect badly. I also knew, at least from having read a bunch of scouting reports and draft lists, that there was a clear top tier of 5 players then a drop off to the 2nd tier which OJ was on. And one thing I know about drafting, especially when picking so high, is to always always always go for b.p.a. best player available regardless of positional needs. So I feared we'd succumb to the temptation of prioritizing needs over keeping it simple and sure enough...
That said, it wouldn't have been much a mistake if OJ actually lived up to his billing, then there'd be no issues at all. So I don't really blame JB for taking what he thought would be the best D available when we really needed one. There's still time and hope for OJ, I'm super patient with prospects as you know with my feelings on Jake, so haven't given up on him at all. Let's hope it works out, we fucking need him bigtime to become something now more tham ever with all the uncertainty on D.
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Strangelove wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:02 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:13 am There’s a comment from Doc in the draft thread right before the draft saying he’d “go to the dark side” if they drafted Petey. He was on literally nobody’s radar here.
That's not what I said, I made a joke about all the Vilardi-lovers, here it is:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 71#p283171

FFS... PADDY, DUDE, AND I WERE DRIVING THE PETEY BANDWAGON PRIOR TO THE DRAFT:
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:25 pm
olpaddy wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Yeah I'm starting to be sold on the idea of Pettersen.
Okay, Pettersen it is! :rockin:
Look at us agreeing Doc this is oddly strange...
Then it must be destiny! :rockin:
:rockin:
Your comment is what it is. You can spin it however you want, but at the time it reads like you didn't want him.

"He better not... some more of us..."

Kudos to Paddy though. :drink:
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Meds wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:01 am
Strangelove wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:02 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:13 am There’s a comment from Doc in the draft thread right before the draft saying he’d “go to the dark side” if they drafted Petey. He was on literally nobody’s radar here.
That's not what I said, I made a joke about all the Vilardi-lovers, here it is:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 71#p283171

FFS... PADDY, DUDE, AND I WERE DRIVING THE PETEY BANDWAGON PRIOR TO THE DRAFT:
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:25 pm
olpaddy wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Yeah I'm starting to be sold on the idea of Pettersen.
Okay, Pettersen it is! :rockin:
Look at us agreeing Doc this is oddly strange...
Then it must be destiny! :rockin:
:rockin:
Your comment is what it is. You can spin it however you want, but at the time it reads like you didn't want him.

"He better not... some more of us..."

Kudos to Paddy though. :drink:
I think at that time the "dark side" was the side touting Benning as a genius, that's how I read it.
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:53 pm
Paddy sure... walk the thread back and the Dud is up and down and side to side like a fucking jellyfish. Get serious he zeroed in on Pettersson. :lol:

Your comment is your comment.
Of course Dude is, he posts in those threads for 2-3 years pre draft. Plenty of time to change one's mind c(and not after the fact, like some posters at other boards with a "track record").

Actually nvm, Dude also changes his mind after the fact all the time. One of the most enjoyable things to observe on board :lol:
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I could care less about track records or homework. But if you read the draft thread Dude is briefly on the Petterson bandwagon and then hitches his wagon to Glass and Vilardi in the last week to ten days before the draft. He ranks those guys ahead of Pettersson consistently leading up to the draft. Pages 45-47 of the 2017 draft thread are great reading. :lol:
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ESQ wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:15 am
Meds wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:01 am
Strangelove wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:02 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:13 am There’s a comment from Doc in the draft thread right before the draft saying he’d “go to the dark side” if they drafted Petey. He was on literally nobody’s radar here.
That's not what I said, I made a joke about all the Vilardi-lovers, here it is:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 71#p283171

FFS... PADDY, DUDE, AND I WERE DRIVING THE PETEY BANDWAGON PRIOR TO THE DRAFT:
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:25 pm
olpaddy wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Yeah I'm starting to be sold on the idea of Pettersen.
Okay, Pettersen it is! :rockin:
Look at us agreeing Doc this is oddly strange...
Then it must be destiny! :rockin:
:rockin:
Your comment is what it is. You can spin it however you want, but at the time it reads like you didn't want him.

"He better not... some more of us..."

Kudos to Paddy though. :drink:
I think at that time the "dark side" was the side touting Benning as a genius, that's how I read it.
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:53 pm
Paddy sure... walk the thread back and the Dud is up and down and side to side like a fucking jellyfish. Get serious he zeroed in on Pettersson. :lol:

Your comment is your comment.
Of course Dude is, he posts in those threads for 2-3 years pre draft. Plenty of time to change one's mind c(and not after the fact, like some posters at other boards with a "track record").

Actually nvm, Dude also changes his mind after the fact all the time. One of the most enjoyable things to observe on board :lol:
It’s funny all the pro scouts had Veleno, McIsaac and Wise going top 5 a year prior to their drafts but it’s a travesty if ole Chef gets pigeon holed with his scouting reports at certain time periods. Adjustments

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