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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
by Chef Boi RD
Chiarellis top 5
1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?
Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing. They sit with the 8th worst record in the league and most likely will not make the playoffs
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:05 am
by Island Nucklehead
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.
When in doubt, make it up!
They sit with the 8th worst record in the league and most likely will not make the playoffs
*Checks Standings*
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:08 am
by Blob Mckenzie
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:50 am
SKYO wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:19 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:07 am
Jason Botchford said in the Provies that Elmer had a choice between Vatanen and Sbisa and picked Sbisa. Gesus Christ.
everyone hates botchford, he imitates his god................
It's Bitchfotd the bitch. So legit
Vatanen traded to New Jersey for that bum Henriqur
Vatanen 2 goals 12 assists in 36 games
Sbisa 1 goal 9 assists in 24 games
Vatanen 5'-10" 185 lbs
Sbisa 6'-2" 210 lbs
The golden knights are raving about Sbisa. Shrimp Vatanen gets traded
Both are 27 years of age
Bubbles quoting Bitchford. Gold Jerry
Lol Vatanen is twice the player Sbisa is
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:13 am
by Chef Boi RD
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:08 am
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:50 am
SKYO wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:19 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:07 am
Jason Botchford said in the Provies that Elmer had a choice between Vatanen and Sbisa and picked Sbisa. Gesus Christ.
everyone hates botchford, he imitates his god................
It's Bitchfotd the bitch. So legit
Vatanen traded to New Jersey for that bum Henriqur
Vatanen 2 goals 12 assists in 36 games
Sbisa 1 goal 9 assists in 24 games
Vatanen 5'-10" 185 lbs
Sbisa 6'-2" 210 lbs
The golden knights are raving about Sbisa. Shrimp Vatanen gets traded
Both are 27 years of age
Bubbles quoting Bitchford. Gold Jerry
Lol Vatanen is twice the player Sbisa is
Yeah K. The Ducks feel the same
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:16 am
by Chef Boi RD
Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:05 am
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.
When in doubt, make it up!
They sit with the 8th worst record in the league and most likely will not make the playoffs
*Checks Standings*
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nope, wrong, earlier this season or prior to, you raved about the Oiler rebuild as some kind of amazing piece of work
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:17 am
by Blob Mckenzie
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:13 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:08 am
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:50 am
SKYO wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:19 am
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:07 am
Jason Botchford said in the Provies that Elmer had a choice between Vatanen and Sbisa and picked Sbisa. Gesus Christ.
everyone hates botchford, he imitates his god................
It's Bitchfotd the bitch. So legit
Vatanen traded to New Jersey for that bum Henriqur
Vatanen 2 goals 12 assists in 36 games
Sbisa 1 goal 9 assists in 24 games
Vatanen 5'-10" 185 lbs
Sbisa 6'-2" 210 lbs
The golden knights are raving about Sbisa. Shrimp Vatanen gets traded
Both are 27 years of age
Bubbles quoting Bitchford. Gold Jerry
Lol Vatanen is twice the player Sbisa is
Yeah K. The Ducks feel the same
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Yeah I’m surethey do. They are loaded with young D with Vatanen, Montour, Manson, Lindholm and Fowler so they could afford to deal one for a centre because both Kesler and Getzlaf were injured. It was a win win trade for both clubs.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
Chiarellis top 5
1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?
Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.
As for is the case for Gillis (as explained above), a criticism of Benning is not an implication that Chiarelli would have done something better. Re-hashing Chiarelli moves is irrelevant, and worse, uninteresting.
That standard of comparison is not what Chiarelli would have done, but -- as chosen by his most fervent supporters -- what a genius would have done.
Looking forward to that Masterpiece (dynasty). What do you think remains to be done, and how many more seasons do you think it will take ?
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:08 pm
by Meds
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:16 pm
Ken Holland, considered a genius by many in this market. Drafted Svechnikov in the 1st round of the 2015 draft with Boeser still on board. In 2016 drafted Chylowski who isn't looking too good, then followed that up with the UFA signing of Nielsen. Then in the 2017 draft, drafted Rassmussen in the 1st round with so many good players still available like Necas for one. Holland - considered a genius by many, sure ain't looking so genius lately, but that being said, has made his share of mistakes. Like I said, a genius will make his mistakes on his way to his masterpiece. It's the big picture. Stop focusing on the place holders.
Holland's legacy is more the draft and develop model. He definitely fluked out with Datsyuk and Zetterberg, but he has made many other picks in later rounds that have then been developed into quality players, I don't feel like many of them are actually top 3 forwards or top 2 defensemen though.
Larkin and Mantha are the only two that I think could fit into that category.
Abdelkader, Tatar, Nyquist, and Athanasiou, are decent picks outside of the 1st round that were developed and then brought up, but they are all 2nd line players at best.
Every GM makes boneheaded signings, especially in free agency. Those signings become even worse when the team isn't competitive because you generally have to pay more to get players to come to a losing franchise. I would much prefer to have a GM like Benning who might be too friendly in contract negotiations but can draft well in every round, over a guy who might not draft well but can develop depth forwards and get players $500K cheaper.
Ideally you would have Benning as GM and Holland as AGM. Benning calls the shots, so at the draft table he has executive powers, and handles the NHL side of the roster and whatnot, but delegates the negotiation of contracts and much of the minor league development to Holland.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:47 pm
by Chef Boi RD
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
Chiarellis top 5
1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?
Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.
As for is the case for Gillis (as explained above), a criticism of Benning is not an implication that Chiarelli would have done something better. Re-hashing Chiarelli moves is irrelevant, and worse, uninteresting.
That standard of comparison is not what Chiarelli would have done, but -- as chosen by his most fervent supporters -- what a genius would have done.
Looking forward to that Masterpiece (dynasty). What do you think remains to be done, and how many more seasons do you think it will take ?
Would you agree that the most important thing for this organization moving forward from the Gillis fiasco post 2011 is Drafting and Developing? With that in mind how well of a job do you think Jimbro Benning has done in that department?
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 pm
by Meds
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:47 pm
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm
RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
Chiarellis top 5
1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?
Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.
As for is the case for Gillis (as explained above), a criticism of Benning is not an implication that Chiarelli would have done something better. Re-hashing Chiarelli moves is irrelevant, and worse, uninteresting.
That standard of comparison is not what Chiarelli would have done, but -- as chosen by his most fervent supporters -- what a genius would have done.
Looking forward to that Masterpiece (dynasty). What do you think remains to be done, and how many more seasons do you think it will take ?
Would you agree that the most important thing for this organization moving forward from the Gillis fiasco post 2011 is Drafting and Developing? With that in mind how well of a job do you think Jimbro Benning has done in that department?
Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.
I’d give him a B-minus so far.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:07 pm
by Blob Mckenzie
Contracts and trades don’t matter. Salary cap ........ pffftt.... the 2014 and 2016 first round drafts never happened
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:40 pm
by ESQ
Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 pm
Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.
EVERYTHING MUST BE COMPARED TO GILLIS.
Or Chiarelli.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:43 pm
by Meds
ESQ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:40 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 pm
Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.
EVERYTHING MUST BE COMPARED TO GILLIS.
Or Chiarelli.
Oh ok. My bad.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:49 pm
by Island Nucklehead
ESQ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:40 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 pm
Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.
EVERYTHING MUST BE COMPARED TO GILLIS.
Or Chiarelli.
Or Colorado! Oops, nope. Not Colorado.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:52 pm
by Chef Boi RD
So no thoughts from the "crew" on Bennings drafting and developing other than Blotis writing the book on Juolevi in 2016 and Virtanen in 2014 and ignoring Demko and Tryamkin in 2014?