Aaronp18 wrote:Ronning's Ghost wrote:
So I wondered, "How much is still Gillis' fault, and how would we measure that?"
So this has brought on some decent discussion and I'll add my $.02....
I mostly agree with most of what you wrote, but
Aaronp18 wrote: Sure our roster has turned over but the quality of picks and players that Benning has had to work with coming from the Gillis era was laughable at best.
It sure took Gillis a long time to learn how to draft, but Benning did inherit one top prospect in Horvat, and then walked into a top 10 draft pick.
Aaronp18 wrote: If we didn't do something like this we could have found ourselves in the Oiler rebuild category with a ton of youth who routinely learn how to lose and are simply handed roster spots! Eventually, hoping that one of our #1 picks turns into a generational talent. I didn't want to head down that road, and clearly Benning didn't think it was the best approach either.
It is not clear that the Canucks have avoided this fate. On the other hand, they
are on track for another high draft pick, which is what I would have wanted for their rebuild. My main complaint with that outcome is the timing: If they were going to stink up the place anyway, it would have been much better to have done so in 2014-2015.
Aaronp18 wrote:So, basically, I feel the lack of age appropriate talent can also be attributed to Gillis' tenure and him trying to win the cup. But how does one quantify that? We wouldn't have been drafting high during those years he moved a bunch of picks, but we weren't given the chance to because of the direction of the team.
I wanted to express my sincere (i.e., not sarcastic) appreciation that you read carefully enough to understand the question.
Aaronp18 wrote:Really until Benning gets to have 3-4 years of draft picks and acquisitions and is allowed to develop these players the team will always have a Gillis taste to it. We're getting there but there's still a ways to go before we have completely transitioned!
So, if I may try to paraphrase to check that I understand you, you are saying that it is difficult to quantify relative influences now, but by 2016-2017, or 2017-2018 at the latest, it will be essentially 100% Benning's team ?