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Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:25 pm
by Aaronp18
Uncle dans leg wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:36 am
One where u load up on high picks by trading vets at the deadline. Tanking. Going "all-in" on a rebuild

Feb 2017
This doesn't work anymore. The way the odds ore set for the draft it makes zero sense to try this! The teams that did this successfully were guaranteed top picks when generational talents were up in the draft. And even then it took years of suckage, like worst team in the league with massive hits to the revenue for years where they almost were sold to a different city and then all of a sudden they picked up the next great players to help the team start winning but there's no league conspiracy, type suckage.

Never was going to happen for Vancouver, especially now.

You need to slowly rebuild doing what you can, drafting well through the top 3 rounds. Developing your prospects into roll type players. Constant turnover of young talent throughout the lineup. And mix in some elite level talent from a couple drafts and really build around them.

Back to Jake, I'm extremely happy h's turned things around! He always had the tools but it was the toolbox that was the issue. Rumours of him not following Canucks management recommendations and doing his own training, his dad apparently getting involved, not really taking the job seriously had me concerned about him as a player.

He's exactly what we need and always has been, he could be huge in the playoffs with his style of play and grit. Keep up the good work Jake!

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:07 pm
by Jovocop
RoyalDude wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:10 pm
Jake isn’t going to ever solve basic algebra for ya but he’s discovering what he does best and how to help the team and that’s all we can ask for for now. I anticipate some beast mode hockey in big games out of Jake as he matures. Would not be surprised with his size speed and natural abilities - shot etc., I believe he will be a very good weapon in the playoffs eventually. The thinking will come from Petty Hughes Horvat and Boeser.
A winning team will need a mixture of players. Besides talented players, a team still needs some North and South players.

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:49 pm
by ESQ
Uncle dans leg wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:12 pm

This I'll agree on and its the main reason the rebuild sputtered.
So we're 3 years into the rebuild, and you're saying it sputtered?

I guess that's what I'm not agreeing with, they're finishing 3 years in the basement and it sure looks like they'll be in the hunt for a playoff spot, which would actually be an extremely quick turnaround.

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:06 pm
by The Brown Wizard
ESQ wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:49 pm
Uncle dans leg wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:12 pm

This I'll agree on and its the main reason the rebuild sputtered.
So we're 3 years into the rebuild, and you're saying it sputtered?

I guess that's what I'm not agreeing with, they're finishing 3 years in the basement and it sure looks like they'll be in the hunt for a playoff spot, which would actually be an extremely quick turnaround.
Well this is specifically the source of all the blob/dude angst around here so i wont bother with debating when and where it all began

The summary is we have a stable full of forward prospects now and are busy working on the defense. The future is bright

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:48 pm
by 5thhorseman
I guess if it wouldn't have "sputtered", we could've had Matthews, Laine, or even McDavid, but hey, we got EP so is there really much difference between the two except being able to give the Sedins a dignified end to their careers.

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:33 am
by Chef Boi RD
What team is getting better value in return with these players of theirs

Ehlers - 15 goals 12 assists $6 million per year until 2024-25 NTC expires UFA

Virtanen - 11 goals 7 assists $1.25 million per year until 2018-19 expires RFA

Nylander - 9 games 0 goals 2 assists $6.9 million per year until 2023-24 NTC expires UFA

Remember both Nylander and Ehlers were god awful in the playoffs last year. Absolute no shows. Massive contracts for a couple of Mason Raymonds

Benning is clinical, tactical and patient

Blob wanted Nick Ritchie - 4 goals 8 assists

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:40 am
by Doyle Hargraves
Was Ehlers healthy in past years playoffs?

How many games has Nick Ritchie played this year?

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:03 pm
by Chef Boi RD
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:40 am
Was Ehlers healthy in past years playoffs?

How many games has Nick Ritchie played this year?
Which of the 4 teams is getting better value per dollar? Rank 1-4 best value to worst. Answer the question for once. Ritchie makes $1.5 million per until 2019-20

Blob you’re always the one who keeps bringing up the return value in Eriksson, Sutter, Sbisa etc. This shit is right up your arse-hole

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:16 pm
by Chef Boi RD
Ehlers played 15 of the Jets 17 playoff games. Tallying 0 goals and 7 assists, yet you blame it on injuries. I find this intetesting that you give $6 million per Ehlers this sort of injury mulligan and with how irate you get on contract values (Sutter, Eriksson, Sbisa) but whoop Olli’s ass constantly while neglecting his back surgery and knee surgery this season. Interesting how you move goal posts, Blob. It’s tough keeping up

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:26 pm
by micky107
Jake keeps doin what he's doin and one could argue: One of the best bargains in the league at this juncture in time. Awesome! :rockin:

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:34 pm
by Doyle Hargraves
RoyalDude wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:16 pm
Ehlers played 15 of the Jets 17 playoff games. Tallying 0 goals and 7 assists, yet you blame it on injuries. I find this intetesting that you give $6 million per Ehlers this sort of injury mulligan and with how irate you get on contract values (Sutter, Eriksson, Sbisa) but whoop Olli’s ass constantly while neglecting his back surgery and knee surgery this season. Interesting how you move goal posts, Blob. It’s tough keeping up
I know like injuries and games played actually factor in.

Tough for a guy with no team sports background whatsoever to figure that out I guess. I thought spandex mountain biking was kind of a team sport though

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:51 pm
by The Brown Wizard
Crawling under tables at the 5 as a 12 yr old kid is an olympic sport I'm pretty sure

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:39 pm
by Chef Boi RD
micky107 wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:26 pm
Jake keeps doin what he's doin and one could argue: One of the best bargains in the league at this juncture in time. Awesome! :rockin:
Thanks for confronting the question for Blob head on, Mickey! All the while Blob deflects defends $6 million per Nikolai “Mason Raymond” Ehlers playoff woes (citing injuries) while throwing a Canuck prospect whom in one season has had knee and back surgery under the bus

Re: Jake Virtanen

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:21 am
by Lancer
micky107 wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:26 pm
Jake keeps doin what he's doin and one could argue: One of the best bargains in the league at this juncture in time. Awesome! :rockin:
Price point is weak argument. If he produced like Ehlers or Nylander, nobody would care how much he makes. A high first round pick, you hope the kid becomes a key point producer for the team. Jake may become that, but we’ll see.

Regardless, the tools he brings that the other two don’t in terms of physicality make me not mind Benning picking him. I’m not convinced that either Ehlers or Nylander will contribute in the postseason the way they do in the regular season. I don’t see them having the grit and will to fight through the checks when the going gets heavy in the playoffs. After seeing previous Canucks playoffs when the team got pushed around, I’m keen to see what kind of impact Virtanen makes in the second season.

Just have to give it a couple years. 😉