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Hockey Widow wrote:I doubt we will ever see the day when a GM drafts a player and says in spite of his lack of character, we liked his skill. We know he is an arrogant jerk with questionable decision making abilities and has been known to be a hound dog with a penchant for booze and a little coke now and then. But we didn't care about any of that because we think he can be the next Patrick Kane!
sign me up for one of those!

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Strangelove wrote:
Topper wrote:
Strangelove wrote:(although despite GMMG ravings there were questions about CH's "character" from the get-go)
LOL Doc. I remember fighting off a lynch mob when I said I detected a whiff of arrogance around CH at the WJrC.
See, you... "had questions".... :mrgreen:
That's my point though, right?

Topper is the only one I can recall who questioned Hodgson's character before the back injury, and even then most wanted AV's head on a pike rather than suggesting he might've been correct.

So when the fans say "I love the way this guy drafts for character" I don't really trust our collective ability to evaluate whether that's actually happening.
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One thing learned about the CoHo ZaKa experience, you either trade baggage for baggage or baggage plus a 5th round pick for a veteran character guy
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One could say Professor GMMG carried a lot of baggage.
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Todd Bersnoozi wrote:
Tciso wrote: Maybe not, but character isn't something coach, or a system can teach. Most of it is intrinsic. You have it or you don't. Well, maybe a coach can help build character if there is some to build on. But, a flake will always be a flake (aka CoHo). I like the direction our youth is going. Soft and Flaky players are going to the pastry factory, and we are bringing in the solid, hi fiber kids.
I remember MG and others were building CoHo up to be a character guy and a future pontential captain like a Linden type. We hear the same thing with BoHo right now. I think CoHo was like scholastic player of the year too, not that it means much I guess. But then again, MG was making a big deal about Patrick McNally too, going to Harvard, son of an FBI agent, supposidley a bright young guy, but turned out kind of flakey.
I always got the feeling GMMG was setting CoHo up for a trade from his first game in the big league. So his words were really more sales hype than reality.
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CoHo's character began to be questioned, publicaly at his first camp. The whole injury thing if you remember. We still don't know if the Canucks did in fact misdiagnose the injury or not but his skating never did improve. He did not go quietly that camp but a lot of noise was made about the Canucks not treating him fairly. I don't doubt he had an injury. But I know he pouted loudly about having to go back to Brampton. My family lives in Brampton and they were excited about getting him back but were let down with his public whining and failure to help the team. There was a strong opinion that he was not hurt as badly as he let on but rather was so upset at not making the Canucks that he went into full fuck you mode. My nephew, a young boy of 8 at the time had a Battalian Hodgson jersey with and became a Canuck fan the day we drafted him. He switched from being an OV and Washington fan. He tried to get his jersey signed by CoHo and was told to not "bother me". My nephew is now a Washington fan, again. He actually cried at how he was passed over and talked down too by CoHo, who will flash a smile and sign autographs when the cameras are around but turns to be an arrogant prick when they are not.


I know, one stupid story but just saying I think a lot of Canuck fans, myself included, were late to the game in seeing the kid for what he was. He had a great junior run, a great junior world run but he never had NHL skating or speed and was unable to bring the 200' game in the NHL.

Did he sign this off season by the way?
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dbr wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Topper wrote:
Strangelove wrote:(although despite GMMG ravings there were questions about CH's "character" from the get-go)
LOL Doc. I remember fighting off a lynch mob when I said I detected a whiff of arrogance around CH at the WJrC.
See, you... "had questions".... :mrgreen:
That's my point though, right?

Topper is the only one ....
Your point was well taken Dave, I was merely joking there, hence the: :mrgreen:

But what about my point about TDA Rum's main point being overlooked by you:

viewtopic.php?p=238778#p238778

Yeah, it's hard to tell about "character" when it comes to freshly-drafted young players.

But what about the GMJB traded-for/traded-out players and development process?

This was the bigger part of what TDA Rum was getting at.

And yes, I agree with him.

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Tciso wrote: I always got the feeling GMMG was setting CoHo up for a trade from his first game in the big league. So his words were really more sales hype than reality.
GMMG rubbing it in after the trade was completed was bad form though!

Karma or Regier had the last laugh however....
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Hockey Widow wrote:CoHo's character began to be questioned, publicaly at his first camp. The whole injury thing if you remember. We still don't know if the Canucks did in fact misdiagnose the injury or not but his skating never did improve. He did not go quietly that camp but a lot of noise was made about the Canucks not treating him fairly. I don't doubt he had an injury. But I know he pouted loudly about having to go back to Brampton. My family lives in Brampton and they were excited about getting him back but were let down with his public whining and failure to help the team. There was a strong opinion that he was not hurt as badly as he let on but rather was so upset at not making the Canucks that he went into full fuck you mode. My nephew, a young boy of 8 at the time had a Battalian Hodgson jersey with and became a Canuck fan the day we drafted him. He switched from being an OV and Washington fan. He tried to get his jersey signed by CoHo and was told to not "bother me". My nephew is now a Washington fan, again. He actually cried at how he was passed over and talked down too by CoHo, who will flash a smile and sign autographs when the cameras are around but turns to be an arrogant prick when they are not.


I know, one stupid story but just saying I think a lot of Canuck fans, myself included, were late to the game in seeing the kid for what he was. He had a great junior run, a great junior world run but he never had NHL skating or speed and was unable to bring the 200' game in the NHL.

Did he sign this off season by the way?
Yeah he signed with the Preds. They had a couple of openings for bottom 6 RW. They figured for a $1M he night be an ok reclamation attempt on the 4th line with potential 3rd line upside. Their defense is strong enough to hide some gremlins so who knows, it might work.
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lostinarink wrote: Yeah he signed with the Preds. They had a couple of openings for bottom 6 RW. They figured for a $1M he night be an ok reclamation attempt on the 4th line with potential 3rd line upside. Their defense is strong enough to hide some gremlins so who knows, it might work.
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Hockey Widow wrote: My nephew, a young boy of 8 at the time had a Battalian Hodgson jersey with and became a Canuck fan the day we drafted him. He switched from being an OV and Washington fan. He tried to get his jersey signed by CoHo and was told to not "bother me".
I take my son to a lot of our local Jr B team's home games and a highlight for all the kids is lining the walkway between the dressing room and the ice to fist pump the players as they go to and from the ice.
All the players engage with the kids on the way to the ice, after a blowout loss though, some understandably just walk by looking for a place to hide.

When CoHo's daddy got into the picture and I looked up his background, real estate, junior mining company promoter, politician, my thoughts were oh no, not one of those kids.

The "I want it my way" silver spoon act with a calm oh too slick public facade stood out front and centre.

The tip off at the WJr's was that he was never engaged with his team mates. While everyone else were excited 18 year old kids on the biggest stage of their lives, CoHo stood out as a stone and not in the Toewes kinda way.
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Hockey Widow wrote:CoHo's character began to be questioned, publicaly at his first camp. The whole injury thing if you remember. We still don't know if the Canucks did in fact misdiagnose the injury or not but his skating never did improve. He did not go quietly that camp but a lot of noise was made about the Canucks not treating him fairly. I don't doubt he had an injury.
I think CoHo had a legitimate beef with Nucks mgmt. I'm not 100%, but I seem to recall the nucks medical team did not detect his injury properly and AV was talking shit about him, questioning his desire to play through pain. I think CoHo had to go out on his own to find a specialist to help him with his injury, the following off-season he decided not to work out with Canuck Staff Dave Gagner and went out to hire and work out with Gary Roberts on his own. It was then he finally got his body back to 100%.

I liked CoHo; he seemed like a good kid. When he was a rookie here and producing, he seemed happy to be part of the team, the guys were taking him under their wing and it appeared that he wanted to leave the past behind. He did seem like a bit of of a baby though. I would have liked to seen him man up and say for himself what he wanted rather then letting his agent/family do the talking for him or letting his family tell him what to do all the time.
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Interesting comments from L.A. Kings prospect Jordan Weal about Utica Comets' players he faced in the AHL finals:

Weal says Niklas Jensen was the most impressive player in the series.

He says Sven Baertschi was very dangerous on the power play with his playmaking skills but can be contained 5 on 5.

He also says Alex Friesen is very tenacious and does not play like his listed size of 5'10" and is a good forechecker with surprising offensive abilities.

In addition, he says players were not happy with 18 year old Jake Virtanen taking an extra step or two to unnecessarily run guys into the boards.

So perhaps we shouldn't write off Jensen just yet; Friesen may have a long shot at the # 4 centre spot if Vey disappoints and Cassels is not ready; Baertschi will stimulate our power play but may have trouble initiating offence at even strength; and Jake Virtanen will be the asshole we are all craving in our line-up.

Via TSN 1050 intern and friend of Weal, Grady Sas http://twitter.com/GradySas
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What is working against Jensen and working in Virtanen's favour is the fact that we have yet to see one Benning draft pick play for the organization. Benning has such a hard on for Jake that I think he is one player that could be rushed given the hype.

If he is head and shoulders above the other prospects I want him on the team but if it is close I want him back at junior. Time to see if any of the Gillis left overs can step up.
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