Madcombinepilot wrote:lol who pissed in your cornflakes, oh right your name starts with MAD.
You see MAD, defense and forwards develop at different rates.
wrong connotation of 'Mad', but if it makes you feel better to post in a condescending manner, then yay for you.
Why you got act like a little bitch bro?
Madcombinepilot wrote:
I don't want to rush Juolevi, comparables to look at is Hedman/Larsson/most Euro dmen etc they take 3-4 years to develop.
I quite understand that Defence take longer to develop. My point was 2 fold:
1) what message does bringing in a older guy - who will take up a roster spot- to the young guys like Subban, Brisebios, Pedan, etc-- who have been around in the AHL for a few years with no real space on the main roster for callups.
There are guys in the system who have accomplished all they can accomplish down there, and either need the opportunity to move up, or we need to move them on. The team needs roster spots available to get these guys up to the NHL (if they make the team).
Well for one thing we have enough young guys on our defense, and you can see their mistakes in every game.
Subban is a slightly slower clone of Stecher, and they are both pretty tiny, in fact Subban is smaller at 5'9 and he's a right side dman where we have plenty of dmen already.
Vegas apparently has been highly scouting Utica, imo they are targeting Subban, more than couple teams probably have interest, JS is probable trade bait down the road thanks to having Stecher here.
You realize Brisebios is only 19 right? still has another year of junior and then some time in the AHL.
Pedan is a career AHLer.
Even with all our injuries this year not many AHL dmen have done much or been noticed to be promoted to be a difference maker in the game.
Madcombinepilot wrote:
2) You completely ignored the entire "why are you flip-flopping on getting younger and older"..
your all in for getting younger, except you cant seem to handle the losing that goes along with the number of rookies we have.
After every loss, you have a trade that makes the team better. Have some patience.
I'm the trade guy, everyone around here knows that!
and most of my trades involve getting a young power LW or a young center.
Yes I'm an advocate of getting younger, but I also don't want a full defense of rookies, fuck that nonsense.
A sound defense has a mix of vets and young guys ready to take over soon, defense is a tricky spot to create a top 6, unless you have a Norris trophy guy (Lidstrom/Pronger/Chara), you are going to need the right blend of skillsets to be effective and that includes vets/youth, QB's and big defensive dmen, some two-way types.
We got a lot of young guys getting big minutes as it is, and soon we'll have Brisebios, Chatfield and Juolevi in the mix, more growing pains of watching them make mistakes for a few years.
Madcombinepilot wrote:now, responding your feeble attempt to get away from said pointed out flip floopiness and Knee Jerking, if you really are sold out on getting younger, then understand that the team will not be competing for a cup for a couple years.
Quit trying to sound like topper et al it's embarrassing.
Of course I understand that we won't be competing for a Cup for another 2-4 years.
But like I explained earlier for team success lets have some vets mixed with youth, what's wrong with that? You seen the Oilers destroy a lot of their young guys 1st overall picks confidence by having a lot of shitty players surround them.
Madcombinepilot wrote:Trade Edler now (if he is willing) and get what you can for him. Look at Edlers decline over the last couple years.
Seriously, what will he be worth in 2-3 years?? --ZIP. Selling him now is getting as much as you will ever get. 2-3 years from now, Tanev will still be a good RH shut down guy.. at that point, you can trade Tanev for whatever this team needs at that particular moment (be it a center, winger, whatever) as every team is ALWAYS looking for solid, dependable RH defencemen. lots of people need to get over the hard ons for Edler and start looking to the future.
Edler has a iron clad NTC, yes it can be waived simply by asking, but I dont' think he's ready to move anytime soon, with all his ties to Vancouver and he can log big minutes and play in any situaion, imo you keep him till Juolevi is ready, which won't be till Edler's contract runs out.
Now perhaps after the Sedins retire you can move Edler, but thanks to his NTC the trade list will be limited to a couple teams.
Now Tanev can be traded anywhere, much easier to move and has much more value, you deal him now before he has more injury woes, plus thanks to Tryamkin and Gudbranson on Tanev's right side it makes it easier to move the Tanman.
Madcombinepilot wrote:oh, one last thing, old dogs like Campbell are not going to 'teach a guy to QB the PP'... that's what coaches and video does for players that already have the skill set..
I don't know if you noticed it but our coaches haven't taught em well enough ya know with the team missing the playoffs 3 out of 4 years? and damn near last in the league in every category imaginable.
Campbell has reached over 40 points 5x and two of those over 50 points and 60 points, he knows what it takes to lead a rush, QB a team and score in the NHL.
You seen the effect Burrows and other vets had on the youth, their teachings and experience are invaluable on the ice/bench/locker room, the Canucks haven't had any QB's since Ehrhoff left now we got a young Hutton and Stecher to do just that, but imo it would be nice to have the old man Campbell to help them be more effective to reach that next level in the QB stratosphere. Plus hey why not have him for the Sedins final year? Give the Sedins one veteran QB to work with before they ride off into the Sweden sunset. + campbell won't even cost much and he has had chemistry with Gudbranson and it'll only be for one year.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
