Would should the Canucks do with their Core?

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Moving forward, what should the Canucks do with their Core?

The Core needs to get younger [Existing member(s) traded for more youthful players/prospects/picks]
14
70%
The Core needs a Reset [Trade Existing member(s) for other teams' Core players of similar age]
2
10%
The Core needs reinforcement [via UFAs signings or trade of younger players/picks for players' in their prime]
3
15%
Do Nothing -- [Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)]
1
5%
 
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Cloning ... was an unfortunate choice.
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SKYO wrote:Yeah he prefers defense but he sucks on defense, he's at his most effective at wing
Really? I would have thought a 50 point defensemen is vastly more "effective" than a 50 point winger.
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SKYO wrote:Reason for trading the #6 for Byfuglien IF we don't get a top 5 faller...

Sedin factor, if they are here why not work with em to keep this franchise big and talented like Ron Jeremy.

Byfuglien would score 30-40 goals with the Sedins and provide a better detterant from opposing players, at least much more so than our pesky Burrows!

Not to mention it allows Kassian and Jensen to develop further on the 2nd/3rd line RW.

This also allows Burrows and Hansen can be traded away.

At #6 TL/Gilman/Benning would likely pick Ritchie or Virtanen for the sole purpose of getting bigger and hope they can develop into power like forwards.

So with trading the #6 for the 6'5", 265 lbs, 29yr old Byfuglien we get an immediate impact on our top line with one of most intimidating powerforwards in the game after Lucic.

And we can probably trade Edler/Kesler for a top 12 first rounder + a prospect +.
The only time that Byfuglien was moved up to forward was against Vancouver in the playoffs. He did put up some good numbers.....but he was still a minus-4 over the course of the playoffs that year.

As far as his overall play goes even I would rather hang on to Edler and hope for a bounce back year over trading away the 6th overall pick for Big Buff.

Byfuglien has 299 points in 528 games versus Edler's 228 points in 494 games. So sure, he has 51 more points over his career.

Byfuglien is a career minus-46.....Edler, even with his dismal performance this season is only a career minus-11.

Edler has never been called out for showing up to camp overweight and out of shape. They can both be disasters on defense at times, but is seems that Byfuglien is the more consistently inconsistent. :P
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Mëds you cant compare 2 players without looking at the teams they played for

Vancouver vs. Winterpig?

Imagine the points Byfugien would of had playing for the Nucks the last few years.

Not that I want him unless the trade is a good one.
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SKYO wrote:Reason for trading the #6 for Byfuglien IF we don't get a top 5 faller...

Sedin factor, if they are here why not work with em to keep this franchise big and talented like Ron Jeremy.

Byfuglien would score 30-40 goals with the Sedins and provide a better detterant from opposing players, at least much more so than our pesky Burrows!

Not to mention it allows Kassian and Jensen to develop further on the 2nd/3rd line RW.

This also allows Burrows and Hansen can be traded away.

At #6 TL/Gilman/Benning would likely pick Ritchie or Virtanen for the sole purpose of getting bigger and hope they can develop into power like forwards.

So with trading the #6 for the 6'5", 265 lbs, 29yr old Byfuglien we get an immediate impact on our top line with one of most intimidating powerforwards in the game after Lucic.

And we can probably trade Edler/Kesler for a top 12 first rounder + a prospect +.
The only time that Byfuglien was moved up to forward was against Vancouver in the playoffs. He did put up some good numbers.....but he was still a minus-4 over the course of the playoffs that year.

As far as his overall play goes even I would rather hang on to Edler and hope for a bounce back year over trading away the 6th overall pick for Big Buff.

Byfuglien has 299 points in 528 games versus Edler's 228 points in 494 games. So sure, he has 51 more points over his career.

Byfuglien is a career minus-46.....Edler, even with his dismal performance this season is only a career minus-11.

Edler has never been called out for showing up to camp overweight and out of shape. They can both be disasters on defense at times, but is seems that Byfuglien is the more consistently inconsistent. :P
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dbr wrote:Really? I would have thought a 50 point defensemen is vastly more "effective" than a 50 point winger.
Mëds wrote: The only time that Byfuglien was moved up to forward was against Vancouver in the playoffs. He did put up some good numbers.....but he was still a minus-4 over the course of the playoffs that year.

As far as his overall play goes even I would rather hang on to Edler and hope for a bounce back year over trading away the 6th overall pick for Big Buff.

Byfuglien has 299 points in 528 games versus Edler's 228 points in 494 games. So sure, he has 51 more points over his career.

Byfuglien is a career minus-46.....Edler, even with his dismal performance this season is only a career minus-11.

Edler has never been called out for showing up to camp overweight and out of shape. They can both be disasters on defense at times, but is seems that Byfuglien is the more consistently inconsistent. :P
Not trying to compare Edler to Buf, just strictly speaking in terms of him being better at forward...

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2014/03/11/d ... nipeg-jets
“He was outstanding,” head coach Paul Maurice said after Monday’s game. “He got to rest for most of the first period because we couldn’t get him on the ice killing penalties, and then he was our best player.”

Byfuglien is too big to contain down low, and he scored two goals against Colorado because of it. The first one, which came on the power play with him in front of the net instead of at his usual position on the point, was a result of him grabbing a rebound and swatting it into the net with his soft hands.

Byfuglien had a duel with the Avs centre in the corner only seconds before the winning goal was scored. Had he been a little stronger on the puck, maybe Duchene doesn’t score.

That’s why Byfuglien was moved from defence to forward in the first place. He had become too much of a liability in the defensive zone. He probably would have looked better as a blue-liner now that the Jets are more disciplined team under new head coach Paul Maurice, but the flaws in Byfuglien’s game are still evident every time he goes back there.

There is nothing wrong with using him on the point during power plays, but it might be time to stop doing that during the overtime. He can play forward during the 4-on-4 fun. It would give him even more room to create.

Since moving to forward on Jan. 11, which was Claude Noel’s last game as head coach, Byfuglien has 14 points in 20 games, including four in his last two outings. Six of those 14 points have come on the power play, and lately he has been averaging nearly 20 minutes of ice time.

He has played with myriad linemates since the Olympic break, as Maurice continues to search for the right combinations. The coach said Byfuglien’s success has a lot to do with the players on his line, and on Monday night it was a couple of veterans in Jim Slater and Blake Wheeler.

“He’s just a good player,” Maurice said. “At the end of the day this guy’s capable of doing what we saw (Monday) on a pretty regular basis. Who he plays with matters and getting him out with the right people, but he’s a special player.”
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Re: Would should the Canucks do with their Core?

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Smack it, flip it, rub it down.

The core, that is.

It's like porn... no one likes softcore.

And until we rebuild a new first line and relegate the BC Fairies to line numero-deux, we are pretty softcore.

I'm looking for Pornhub and what I'm seeing on the ice is Penthouse Forums.

Canucks 2017: HardCore Hustlers™

Speaking of the Sedins, I'd be pretty happy with Hank @70 points and Danny @ 55-60 this season. You know, given what we've seen lately.

Oh, as an aside, how big is that Desharnais kid on the habs? Like 5'6? Just asking 'cause last night he threw a bigger hit on the forecheck than I've seen either Sedin bro throw. Like, ever. :crazy:

I know, I know. It's just not in their game. Even in the playoffs. Even when they dwarf the little rat checking them.

And those 150-pound French-Canadians are pretty renowned for their physicality.
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