Doc my good man, Manks are legends for their 'blagging'. You're blagging here is a dead giveaway.Strangelove wrote:Wot can I say, everyone's doing a THINKER act these days.RoyalDude wrote: ??? Doc is an admitted hardcore Man U fan (wasn't the THINKER A Man U fan???. hmmmm), which means he has blood ties there, whether through ancestry or he himself actually started out there before landing in Clark Park. He is the purest wanker here
Dealing With A Stale Core
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Seems like with 4 year extensions, the Sedins and burrows aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
So tossing a grenade can only mean buying out booth, trading Kesler, and Edler...
But with both having NTC contracts, the returns are limited; and as dealing from a position of weakness always turns out, You end up with prospects and draft picks.
To me this road ends up with the sedin line and three lines of youngsters and short term hacks to nurse maid them until they are ready.
Say hello to four years of "dya think we make playoffs this year?"
However, keep Kesler, find a line mates that compliments his style and you have a one two punch with Sedins again. ( money comes from elders contract this year and booths next year)
Weed out the bottom six for room for the rookies.
Live with the defence and goaltending tandem for another year and we not only make the playoffs, we have shot at surprising some folk and most gloriously, RD disappears in a sulk for weeks in April May 2015
( another message from captain obvious, rodger dodger over and out!)
So tossing a grenade can only mean buying out booth, trading Kesler, and Edler...
But with both having NTC contracts, the returns are limited; and as dealing from a position of weakness always turns out, You end up with prospects and draft picks.
To me this road ends up with the sedin line and three lines of youngsters and short term hacks to nurse maid them until they are ready.
Say hello to four years of "dya think we make playoffs this year?"
However, keep Kesler, find a line mates that compliments his style and you have a one two punch with Sedins again. ( money comes from elders contract this year and booths next year)
Weed out the bottom six for room for the rookies.
Live with the defence and goaltending tandem for another year and we not only make the playoffs, we have shot at surprising some folk and most gloriously, RD disappears in a sulk for weeks in April May 2015
( another message from captain obvious, rodger dodger over and out!)
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UMMMM… that is PRECISELY the kind of “logic” that starts thermonuclear wars.RoyalDude wrote: Doc my good man, Manks are legends for their 'blagging'. You're blagging here is a dead giveaway.
Let me spell it out for you.
The Great Strangelove is NOT the (people’s) poster formally known as the THINKER.
THINK ABOUT IT
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UMMMMM.... perhaps.Betamax wrote: Well, maybe someone here should do, uh, something like a "People's Poll" on what former has been poster should the current users on this messageboard emulate?
But THE CLOCK ON THE WALL is telling YOURS TRULY that it's TIME to get back on topic.
Back on topic, THE CLOCK ON THE WALL is telling yours truly that it's TIME.
TIME for your Vancouver Canucks to bring in some SCORING DEPTH for the Don Dockstreader All-Stars.
BEFORE the window closes.
Can you "wankers" see the picture that TAFKATT (The Artist Formally Known As The THINKER) is painting?
CAN YOU??!!
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You sank my battleship.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
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Hey!Arachnid wrote:Why would you include Hansen in your post about the Core if you don't think he is part of the core?!Mëds wrote:It's been a fairly rehashed subject throughout multiple threads, and seems to have gained some traction since Tortorella came right out and made it a headline.....the core of this team needs to change. So who do you consider to be the core of this team, and ...
You argue like a woman.
You apologise to HW right here and now!
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Yup. People have argued throughout their art Ross-winning career that they're not legitimate first liners, so when will we finally get that first line in place that allows them their rightful spot as the world's best second line?!ukcanuck wrote: Getting rid of Hansen and Higgins just seems like rearranging the deck chairs...
Edit: get a playmaking winger for Kesler and the Sedins make an awesome second line.
Whatever you do, always give 100 %!
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I liked the Sedins from day one and have never ragged on them when expectations were too high or too low.Per wrote:Yup. People have argued throughout their art Ross-winning career that they're not legitimate first liners, so when will we finally get that first line in place that allows them their rightful spot as the world's best second line?!ukcanuck wrote: Getting rid of Hansen and Higgins just seems like rearranging the deck chairs...
Edit: get a playmaking winger for Kesler and the Sedins make an awesome second line.
But
To be fair the Sedins have disappeared at times in the playoffs...or perhaps put another way, they have yet to walk on water at the appropriate time.
Perhaps Kelser, with the right supporting cast, will provide that stroll across troubled waters when it actually counts.
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Strangelove wrote:UMMMMM.... perhaps.Betamax wrote: Well, maybe someone here should do, uh, something like a "People's Poll" on what former has been poster should the current users on this messageboard emulate?
But THE CLOCK ON THE WALL is telling YOURS TRULY that it's TIME to get back on topic.
Back on topic, THE CLOCK ON THE WALL is telling yours truly that it's TIME.
TIME for your Vancouver Canucks to bring in some SCORING DEPTH for the Don Dockstreader All-Stars.
BEFORE the window closes.
Can you "wankers" see the picture that TAFKATT (The Artist Formally Known As The THINKER) is painting?
CAN YOU??!!
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Something here Doc.. And that something never occurred to me before
mostly because a silly sense of humour is not something I THINK I would have attributed to unsaid poster...
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Uh-huh.....so in a thread about the core, in which everyone is pretty much talking about dumping a core player or two and bringing in new blood, your first contribution was to insinuate that people here think the core is fine as is and the team doesn't need new blood. You get called out for sounding bitchy and then retaliate with what boils down to, "I'm above you all".Reefer2 wrote:What I am trying to say and maybe I am not clear enough is that this team simply needs some new blood. I am not one of the people who think we are even close to be a top 5 pick next year because for once I believe with the new GM a couple deals will be made.rats19 wrote:But you did say FUBAR.... No wonder we come ukdnt recognize them they were all injured....
Regardless of who is sent out my ASSUMPTION is that player of close caliber is coming back to the team. Combine that with an unbelievable poor year for so many players means that next year they will be better, thus a playoff spot.
I also don't see the need and want in the core, stale also means they become complacent. I was hoping a coach would give them some extra pep and I had high hopes for this past season. But it did not turn out well.
To summarize, this team with zero changes will be better next season, no doubts about it. Making the playoffs is a great possibility but then what? we wasted another year. Changes are needed now and 2 - 3 really good players back on this team with some youth and do see a contender in 3 years.
You proceed to "yawn" at Doc.....did it occur to you that most of us have been yawning at you for the last year or two?
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Except for Edler.....right?ukcanuck wrote: Live with the defence and goaltending tandem for another year and we not only make the playoffs, we have shot at surprising some folk and most gloriously, RD disappears in a sulk for weeks in April May 2015
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With the Sedins it all depends on the NHL itself.Per wrote:Yup. People have argued throughout their art Ross-winning career that they're not legitimate first liners, so when will we finally get that first line in place that allows them their rightful spot as the world's best second line?!ukcanuck wrote: Getting rid of Hansen and Higgins just seems like rearranging the deck chairs...
Edit: get a playmaking winger for Kesler and the Sedins make an awesome second line.
Before the 2004 lockout they weren't really looking like they were going to make it happen, and they themselves have talked about times where they considered going back to the SEL. After the lockout the league changed things in an effort to woo and wow the fans with more scoring. The dead puck era was dead and clutch and grab hockey was a thing of the past.....for the most part. The Sedins now had time to play their game, the game they played growing up, the one that actually works when the rulebook is followed closely. Their production jumped substantially. Henrik's by 33 points, and Daniel's by 16 points. They went from being 45-50 point guys to 70-75 point producers. And they continued to improve as the team around them developed and new pieces were added.
In the playoffs their production dropped because the league still reverted somewhat to the clutch and grab style of hockey, not like before the lockout, but the game changes after 82 games have been played, everyone knows this. Over the following 8 years the league slowly moved back to the dead puck era of hockey, I point to the 2011 playoffs as the real turning point. Since then the Sedins point totals have dropped steadily. Daniels' point totals dove off a cliff in 2011-12, to the tune of 37 points. They dropped another 20 points this season. Henrik dropped 13 points and then another 31 points in those same years, respectively. The shortened season was whatever, and their totals were actually closer to the ppg we had come to expect.
The point I'm making is that the Sedins are probably very good 2nd liners in the NHL when clutch and grab is the name of the game. They are very good 1st line forwards when the league calls the game to favor skill and style.
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Probably need his cap space for help upfront I guess...him or burrows...rather keep burrowsMëds wrote:Except for Edler.....right?ukcanuck wrote: Live with the defence and goaltending tandem for another year and we not only make the playoffs, we have shot at surprising some folk and most gloriously, RD disappears in a sulk for weeks in April May 2015
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It's a rare thing indeed for us to be entirely on the same page.ukcanuck wrote:Probably need his cap space for help upfront I guess...him or burrows...rather keep burrowsMëds wrote:Except for Edler.....right?ukcanuck wrote: Live with the defence and goaltending tandem for another year and we not only make the playoffs, we have shot at surprising some folk and most gloriously, RD disappears in a sulk for weeks in April May 2015
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You do realise that I really don't give a rats ass what anyone thinks?Mëds wrote:Uh-huh.....so in a thread about the core, in which everyone is pretty much talking about dumping a core player or two and bringing in new blood, your first contribution was to insinuate that people here think the core is fine as is and the team doesn't need new blood. You get called out for sounding bitchy and then retaliate with what boils down to, "I'm above you all".Reefer2 wrote:What I am trying to say and maybe I am not clear enough is that this team simply needs some new blood. I am not one of the people who think we are even close to be a top 5 pick next year because for once I believe with the new GM a couple deals will be made.rats19 wrote:But you did say FUBAR.... No wonder we come ukdnt recognize them they were all injured....
Regardless of who is sent out my ASSUMPTION is that player of close caliber is coming back to the team. Combine that with an unbelievable poor year for so many players means that next year they will be better, thus a playoff spot.
I also don't see the need and want in the core, stale also means they become complacent. I was hoping a coach would give them some extra pep and I had high hopes for this past season. But it did not turn out well.
To summarize, this team with zero changes will be better next season, no doubts about it. Making the playoffs is a great possibility but then what? we wasted another year. Changes are needed now and 2 - 3 really good players back on this team with some youth and do see a contender in 3 years.
You proceed to "yawn" at Doc.....did it occur to you that most of us have been yawning at you for the last year or two?
I don't live on this board brother.
And yes some people are saying the core is fine and adding a some pieces is all that is needed.
anyways enough about "me" changes are needed and only time will tell what is going to happen.