The Old Fart said himself at the Tocchet-hiring press conference that Tocc's job is to win games.
Having said that, I'd personally like to see the top players' ice time reduced somewhat...
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The Old Fart said himself at the Tocchet-hiring press conference that Tocc's job is to win games.
Schenn?Lancer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:28 pmEvidently, Tocchet didn't get the memo from Butthead and Old Fart, although he can defend himself saying he's trying to build a winning culture. Question is, does that 'winning culture' include risking injury due to physical fatigue. The players will never say 'no' to more minutes - it's just how they're wired, like dogs won't stop fetching until they're exhausted.Cornuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:10 amBut 30 fuckin' minutes? That's an invitation to problems.Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:28 am I don't see it as wringing out every last drop from his top players as much as developing his emerging talent into legitimate top level players. We all knew QH and EP were going to be good but Tocchet has helped these kids take a giant leap forward.
The season is done but having these guys develop to this level is only going to help them moving forward.
As for guys like Zubov eating half the game's ice-time, it was a different era. Guys were tugging and holding up forecheckers like crazy in that day. Besides, anybody touching Zubov would get their head caved in by the likes of Hatcher. Nowadays, forecheckers are coming in like cruise missiles. Hughes is as slippery as they get, but even he has to eat boards sometimes and when he gets smacked, who's going to step up and make anyone think twice before doing it again?
The question in the off season is if he will ever wear the puking whale again?JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:09 pm Looks like OEL is officially out for the rest of the year. Another blow to team tank, and perhaps a step out from the Bedard sweepstakes.
Fingers listen, OEL is here for awhile, accept it and be done with your moans. His buyout ain’t worth the financial pain right now, plus I imagine the Sedins and Ricky will be putting him through a rigorous off season training program that would make Rocky Balboa proud2Fingers wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:18 pmThe question in the off season is if he will ever wear the puking whale again?JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:09 pm Looks like OEL is officially out for the rest of the year. Another blow to team tank, and perhaps a step out from the Bedard sweepstakes.
If the rumours about OEL not liking Tocchet are true there's a chance he requests a trade and waives his NMC. I could definitely see OEL being a sought after commodity if the Canucks were to retain say $1.75M.....which might be worth it to Vancouver. $1.75M of dead cap might be fairly meaningless in a couple seasons if the cap increases towards $90M.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:07 pmFingers listen, OEL is here for awhile, accept it and be done with your moans. His buyout ain’t worth the financial pain right now, plus I imagine the Sedins and Ricky will be putting him through a rigorous off season training program that would make Rocky Balboa proud2Fingers wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:18 pmThe question in the off season is if he will ever wear the puking whale again?JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:09 pm Looks like OEL is officially out for the rest of the year. Another blow to team tank, and perhaps a step out from the Bedard sweepstakes.
Tocchet has OEL having a strong bounce back season next year.Mëds wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:48 pmIf the rumours about OEL not liking Tocchet are true there's a chance he requests a trade and waives his NMC. I could definitely see OEL being a sought after commodity if the Canucks were to retain say $1.75M.....which might be worth it to Vancouver. $1.75M of dead cap might be fairly meaningless in a couple seasons if the cap increases towards $90M.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:07 pm Fingers listen, OEL is here for awhile, accept it and be done with your moans. His buyout ain’t worth the financial pain right now, plus I imagine the Sedins and Ricky will be putting him through a rigorous off season training program that would make Rocky Balboa proud
Yeah, I know he has a NMC. That’s why I said he might waive it and REQUEST a trade IF it’s true that HE doesn’t like Tocchet.SKYO wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:42 pmTocchet has OEL having a strong bounce back season next year.Mëds wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:48 pmIf the rumours about OEL not liking Tocchet are true there's a chance he requests a trade and waives his NMC. I could definitely see OEL being a sought after commodity if the Canucks were to retain say $1.75M.....which might be worth it to Vancouver. $1.75M of dead cap might be fairly meaningless in a couple seasons if the cap increases towards $90M.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:07 pm Fingers listen, OEL is here for awhile, accept it and be done with your moans. His buyout ain’t worth the financial pain right now, plus I imagine the Sedins and Ricky will be putting him through a rigorous off season training program that would make Rocky Balboa proud
"Tocchet talked after practice about OEL. He doesn’t expect him to return to the Canucks lineup this season."
Team has no choice really except try to get OEL's value back up, buyout is too killer to the cap, retaining ain't happenin', also OEL has a NMC.
So the team has to learn to live with it and try to make it work one or another, at least Tocchet knows his style.
Tocchet's put out his public position on OEL. His private position on the lad may be different, and given the optics of their relationship there's nothing to be gained by trashing OEL or damning him with faint praise in public at this point. The season's lost, and all management can sell is hope, so really what else was he going to say?Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:39 am Sounds like Tocchet is a fan of OEL. Mëds who are your sources? Al Strachan?
Been saying it since Xmas.. ‘Team Tank’ is a myth. We will draft between 6-10, have somewhere around a 5% chance… except the league will never allow Vancouver to get 1st OA pick..JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:09 pm Looks like OEL is officially out for the rest of the year. Another blow to team tank, and perhaps a step out from the Bedard sweepstakes.
Exactly - here's the cap hit we'd be stuck with - may as well just pay the guy, or work a trade and retain a little.Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:56 am The Canucks aren't buying out that contract. Why do people keep wanting an 8 year or whatever it is punishment?