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		<title>By: Mr. Fantasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fantasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe, just maybe, Trevor Linden was a player not good enough during the time he was playing, Joey. 

I know Ms. Galo personally, she is the biggest Trevor Linden fan you&#039;ll ever meet.  

How can you say she said he was a poor player. In his era, Trevor Linden simply wasn&#039;t &#039;good enough&#039;. Remember this guy played during the times of  Gretzky, Messier, Lemieux, Yzerman...etc etc. All contemporaries that had hardware. 

I like Linden, he was a good player, who put 110% but you&#039;re right, stats don&#039;t lie. Linden never won a SC, a Hart, or anything of that sort of hardware.  If he does make it to the HOF, it will be because of his character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, just maybe, Trevor Linden was a player not good enough during the time he was playing, Joey. </p>
<p>I know Ms. Galo personally, she is the biggest Trevor Linden fan you&#8217;ll ever meet.  </p>
<p>How can you say she said he was a poor player. In his era, Trevor Linden simply wasn&#8217;t &#8216;good enough&#8217;. Remember this guy played during the times of  Gretzky, Messier, Lemieux, Yzerman&#8230;etc etc. All contemporaries that had hardware. </p>
<p>I like Linden, he was a good player, who put 110% but you&#8217;re right, stats don&#8217;t lie. Linden never won a SC, a Hart, or anything of that sort of hardware.  If he does make it to the HOF, it will be because of his character.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The HHOF criteria for players are playing ability, sportsmanship, character and their contribution to the team or teams and to the game of hockey in general.  All of which Linden has in spades.

Linden is in the top 100 all time for goals and 104th for points in the NHL.  He has more goals than Bobby Clarke or Henri Richard while having played a similar amount of games, and for inferior teams, I might add.

Had the Canucks won the Stanley Cup in 1994 and Canada won the Olympics in 1998, Linden would be a strong contender.  It&#039;s the lack of hardware that&#039;s keeping him from being considered.

So, you all spend several paragraphs prefacing  and professing your love for Trevor Linden before saying what a poor player he was.  I suppose it makes you all feel intelligent and superior to bash someone just because he plays for the home team, but  the numbers don&#039;t lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HHOF criteria for players are playing ability, sportsmanship, character and their contribution to the team or teams and to the game of hockey in general.  All of which Linden has in spades.</p>
<p>Linden is in the top 100 all time for goals and 104th for points in the NHL.  He has more goals than Bobby Clarke or Henri Richard while having played a similar amount of games, and for inferior teams, I might add.</p>
<p>Had the Canucks won the Stanley Cup in 1994 and Canada won the Olympics in 1998, Linden would be a strong contender.  It&#8217;s the lack of hardware that&#8217;s keeping him from being considered.</p>
<p>So, you all spend several paragraphs prefacing  and professing your love for Trevor Linden before saying what a poor player he was.  I suppose it makes you all feel intelligent and superior to bash someone just because he plays for the home team, but  the numbers don&#8217;t lie.</p>
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		<title>By: crovax</title>
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		<dc:creator>crovax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a die hard linden fan i would agree he does not deserve to be in th HOF for the players category.
He was a great leader and was able to inspire and asure young guys to do better. For these reasons i think he should get into some sort of coaching.  As far as the builders category goes i think he should at the ver least get some recognition of what he has been able to do in all four comunities ( mostly vancouver) he has served. He was a great comunity leader here, montreal, long island and dc.  some sort of recognition should be there.  Trevor should also be a shoe in for the BCSHOF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a die hard linden fan i would agree he does not deserve to be in th HOF for the players category.<br />
He was a great leader and was able to inspire and asure young guys to do better. For these reasons i think he should get into some sort of coaching.  As far as the builders category goes i think he should at the ver least get some recognition of what he has been able to do in all four comunities ( mostly vancouver) he has served. He was a great comunity leader here, montreal, long island and dc.  some sort of recognition should be there.  Trevor should also be a shoe in for the BCSHOF.</p>
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		<title>By: Jelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you ask me fifty years from now, what I would remember Linden by, it would be his off-ice contributions to the community. That&#039;s his best legacy, not from his two goals in game 7 of the 1994 finals, but his contributions as a human being to those around him. 

And that, is something you can&#039;t teach or coast off other star players and gets called the greatest leader of all time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you ask me fifty years from now, what I would remember Linden by, it would be his off-ice contributions to the community. That&#8217;s his best legacy, not from his two goals in game 7 of the 1994 finals, but his contributions as a human being to those around him. </p>
<p>And that, is something you can&#8217;t teach or coast off other star players and gets called the greatest leader of all time.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine Galo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine Galo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your responses are always so colourful, Farhan. 

Agree on all your points. I agree that his calibre of play was not on par a few nights. 

I didn&#039;t down much on Naslund, I&#039;ve always thought he got the brunt of the bullshit in Vancouver, but to each their own. The media needed a whipping boy, why not the aging Swede. 

As far as Messier goes, still one of the greatest leaders ever in the NHL, just not in Vancouver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your responses are always so colourful, Farhan. </p>
<p>Agree on all your points. I agree that his calibre of play was not on par a few nights. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t down much on Naslund, I&#8217;ve always thought he got the brunt of the bullshit in Vancouver, but to each their own. The media needed a whipping boy, why not the aging Swede. </p>
<p>As far as Messier goes, still one of the greatest leaders ever in the NHL, just not in Vancouver.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan Lalji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farhan Lalji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be a bit of a downer in this thread, especially when taking into account that I LOVE Trevor Linden....the human being, but I have to say a few things:

1) Since 1996, Linden was an average player at best.  After the lockout, Linden was quite substantially below average (give or take a few moments of brilliance in the clutch).

2) I still don&#039;t buy into the whole &quot;Linden&#039;s feelings were hurt&quot; when Keenan yelled at him that one time.  Look at how guys like Roenick, Chelios, Larmer, Belfour, Kovalev, Nedved, and Hull reacted when they were lambasted by Keenan (and from all accounts and sources, Keenan was actually *more* of a prick when he was in Chicago, NYR, and St. Louis!).  Perhaps the old saying of &quot;nut up or shut up&quot; has some validity?  Why didn&#039;t Linden &quot;nut up&quot; when he was called out by Keenan?

3) Messier didn&#039;t force the &#039;C&#039; off of Linden....the media did.  When Messier arrived here, it was the media that made Messier look like a God while completely putting Linden on the back burner.  The media was basically screaming for Mess to be captain.  Kent Gilchrist at the time even said something to the effect of, &quot;When Messier steps into that lockerroom, he will be the captain no matter what it says on Linden&#039;s chest.&quot;  To avoid making it an issue, Linden handed Mess. the &#039;C&#039;.

4) Linden turtled in 2007.  I can&#039;t remember against who it was against specifically (Jordin Tootoo?), but it was against Nashville (6-2 Canucks victory I believe).  During the game, there was a scrum.....and when the going got tough, Linden turtled....and basically laid there while he took a pounding.  Could that be indicative of a lack of character at that given time during his career?

5) At the age of 34-35 (or whatever Linden&#039;s age was after the lockout), the guy was *substantially*  below his level of play.  We all bashed Messier and Naslund for not living up to par (when they were in their mid 30&#039;s and were playing as Nucks), but why does Linden get a free pass here?  Look at guys like Sundin, Yzerman, Sakic, etc., etc. that were all great in their late 30&#039;s.  And yes - Linden is NOT the calibre of those players but still......could one assume that the *severe* drop off in level of play can attributed to lack of fitness?.....or lack of heart?  Hell - Chris Chelios is *still* playing in the league at age 46!  

Anyway - just a few thoughts.  I love Linden the human being.....and even love(d) Linden the hockey player, pre-1996, but I also saw a lot of red flags....flags of which that many people simply failed to achknowlege due to what Linden did for SIX years between 1991 and 1996.  Linden&#039;s entire reputation was built from those SIX seasons.....many of which was greatly bolstered due to the presence of Bure and/or Mogilny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be a bit of a downer in this thread, especially when taking into account that I LOVE Trevor Linden&#8230;.the human being, but I have to say a few things:</p>
<p>1) Since 1996, Linden was an average player at best.  After the lockout, Linden was quite substantially below average (give or take a few moments of brilliance in the clutch).</p>
<p>2) I still don&#8217;t buy into the whole &#8220;Linden&#8217;s feelings were hurt&#8221; when Keenan yelled at him that one time.  Look at how guys like Roenick, Chelios, Larmer, Belfour, Kovalev, Nedved, and Hull reacted when they were lambasted by Keenan (and from all accounts and sources, Keenan was actually *more* of a prick when he was in Chicago, NYR, and St. Louis!).  Perhaps the old saying of &#8220;nut up or shut up&#8221; has some validity?  Why didn&#8217;t Linden &#8220;nut up&#8221; when he was called out by Keenan?</p>
<p>3) Messier didn&#8217;t force the &#8216;C&#8217; off of Linden&#8230;.the media did.  When Messier arrived here, it was the media that made Messier look like a God while completely putting Linden on the back burner.  The media was basically screaming for Mess to be captain.  Kent Gilchrist at the time even said something to the effect of, &#8220;When Messier steps into that lockerroom, he will be the captain no matter what it says on Linden&#8217;s chest.&#8221;  To avoid making it an issue, Linden handed Mess. the &#8216;C&#8217;.</p>
<p>4) Linden turtled in 2007.  I can&#8217;t remember against who it was against specifically (Jordin Tootoo?), but it was against Nashville (6-2 Canucks victory I believe).  During the game, there was a scrum&#8230;..and when the going got tough, Linden turtled&#8230;.and basically laid there while he took a pounding.  Could that be indicative of a lack of character at that given time during his career?</p>
<p>5) At the age of 34-35 (or whatever Linden&#8217;s age was after the lockout), the guy was *substantially*  below his level of play.  We all bashed Messier and Naslund for not living up to par (when they were in their mid 30&#8217;s and were playing as Nucks), but why does Linden get a free pass here?  Look at guys like Sundin, Yzerman, Sakic, etc., etc. that were all great in their late 30&#8217;s.  And yes &#8211; Linden is NOT the calibre of those players but still&#8230;&#8230;could one assume that the *severe* drop off in level of play can attributed to lack of fitness?&#8230;..or lack of heart?  Hell &#8211; Chris Chelios is *still* playing in the league at age 46!  </p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; just a few thoughts.  I love Linden the human being&#8230;..and even love(d) Linden the hockey player, pre-1996, but I also saw a lot of red flags&#8230;.flags of which that many people simply failed to achknowlege due to what Linden did for SIX years between 1991 and 1996.  Linden&#8217;s entire reputation was built from those SIX seasons&#8230;..many of which was greatly bolstered due to the presence of Bure and/or Mogilny.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed - He&#039;s not HOF material.  Like most others, I&#039;m a big fan and respect his as a person and a player (which is rare these days).  I&#039;m not sure if he&#039;d get in as a builder, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed &#8211; He&#8217;s not HOF material.  Like most others, I&#8217;m a big fan and respect his as a person and a player (which is rare these days).  I&#8217;m not sure if he&#8217;d get in as a builder, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Cookie La Rue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cookie La Rue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he&#039;s such a special personality that he cleary not belongs to the HHOF but to the Trevor Linden Hall Of Fame, he&#039;s #1 there and in those hearts who followed his career as the impersonated Canuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he&#8217;s such a special personality that he cleary not belongs to the HHOF but to the Trevor Linden Hall Of Fame, he&#8217;s #1 there and in those hearts who followed his career as the impersonated Canuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan Lalji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farhan Lalji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor Linden is a great guy......a guy that just so happened to sign my hockey puck when I was 8 years old.  It&#039;s certainly a day that I&#039;ll never ever forget, and I&#039;ve always had a soft spot for Linden.

Having said that - Linden was NOT a good hockey player after 1996 (after he had that knee surgery).  Linden was an average player between 1996-2003, and was a BELOW average player from 2004 onwards (give or take, a few flashes of brilliances when it mattered most).  

Trevor Linden is a great community guy and I hope that my future kids can be even half the man that he is.  However - based on hockey ability, Linden should not be in the Hall of Fame.  Not even close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor Linden is a great guy&#8230;&#8230;a guy that just so happened to sign my hockey puck when I was 8 years old.  It&#8217;s certainly a day that I&#8217;ll never ever forget, and I&#8217;ve always had a soft spot for Linden.</p>
<p>Having said that &#8211; Linden was NOT a good hockey player after 1996 (after he had that knee surgery).  Linden was an average player between 1996-2003, and was a BELOW average player from 2004 onwards (give or take, a few flashes of brilliances when it mattered most).  </p>
<p>Trevor Linden is a great community guy and I hope that my future kids can be even half the man that he is.  However &#8211; based on hockey ability, Linden should not be in the Hall of Fame.  Not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine Galo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine Galo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on my way to Vancouver on a plane when this conversation came up.  He was a nice guy, knew enough, but was completely biased when it came to Trevor Linden.  

Other than that, he was fun to talk to.  It was just a different POV, but one that had to be, IMO, corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on my way to Vancouver on a plane when this conversation came up.  He was a nice guy, knew enough, but was completely biased when it came to Trevor Linden.  </p>
<p>Other than that, he was fun to talk to.  It was just a different POV, but one that had to be, IMO, corrected.</p>
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